Lloyds Banking Share Discussion Threads

[polar fox] 17/12/2018 16:26

Tweet from Peston:

.@jeremycorbyn pulls back from tabling motion of no confidence in prime minister. Seems extraordinary since meaningful vote on her deal won't be till week of 14 January. Many of his MPs will be hopping mad.

[ladeside] 17/12/2018 16:21

Wait until the job losses filter through next year, wait until our already destroyed public services see further council cuts, wait until the stock market loses another few hundred to thousand points, wait until Sterling is decimated even further.

Is all the above worth it to escape an imaginary prison with imaginary oppressors ???

If nothing else, it will certainly be an interesting time over the coming weeks, months and even years.......

[polar fox] 17/12/2018 16:18

Tweet from Tom Newton Dunn:

Half an hour into the PM’s statement: Corbyn has bottled a confidence vote, Nigel Dodds has asked a factual question instead of a polemic, and glum-looking Boris Johnson isn’t even standing to ask anything. Appears May is going to get another Xmas in No10 after all.

[k38] 17/12/2018 16:08

TM has her orders from Brussels and stick with them. With No deal will be a short suffering for some people in UK .Stick with this deal and all suffer forever!!

[ladeside] 17/12/2018 15:37

Indeed gnr, it just shows what could have been achieved in the other sectors with strong people and strong Union leadership..........

[gotnorolex] 17/12/2018 15:22

"yellow vests" have been swapped for bowlers by our highly skilled capitalist train drivers!

[maxk] 17/12/2018 15:21

If it were to come off, the bearded one would be doing blighty a service.


(that cant be right)

[ladeside] 17/12/2018 15:10

More half measures from a leader and party with no direction.

[action] 17/12/2018 15:10

We are sleep walking to Bear Market IMHO.

[polar fox] 17/12/2018 15:09

Initial reaction seems very sceptical, as I suspected.

[polar fox] 17/12/2018 15:06

Breaking - BBC

Labour to call for a vote of no confidence in the PM this afternoon, if she doesn't give a date before Christmas for a vote on her deal. Hmmm....

[ladeside] 17/12/2018 15:04

The have and have nots situation that you describe with Europe jacko, is already alive and well here in the UK.

Apart from that it is also thriving WITHIN EU countries, hence the reason we have had the "yellow vests" situation in France.

The problem we have is inequality which is fuelling ALL the protests across the western world, whether that manifests itself as protests in France or Brexit in the UK, it's all one and the same.

Many of us have seen this coming for quite a while..........

[montyhedge] 17/12/2018 15:01

47p my target, capitulation not taken place.

[aceuk] 17/12/2018 14:53

GUSS 17 Dec '18 - 13:58 - 240254 of 240256

I’m pretty sure a lot of companies will blame their failure on Brexit, regardless of how much effect it actually has. Although it’s very hard to quantify as sometimes it’s just general sentiment and lack of feel good factor that stops companies investing or expanding and we get a tidal wave of apathy.

They and many would have good reason - companies from the smallest to the largest have been struggling to cope with the new digital world and many were already at the point of giving or had given up. Then many companies lost 20% of their margin overnight at a time when there is pretty much zero pricing power available to anyone - many companies stagger on but many die every week.

There are a lot of “Zombie” companies out there. They really died a long time ago but are kept upright by interest free and ridiculously levered loans. If we every get back to normal, what ever that was, it will all look different when the chickens come home to roost. Maybe we will have to pay, or maybe we can force it onto some other poor country.


"Zombie" companies, of which I agree there are many, do not have the power to borrow, certainly not interest free and if some are "ridiculously levered" that was in place pre-2016 and not done since. The only thing that is helpful to small business is the many more varied sources of borrowing nowadays e.g. crowd-funding but I don't think that will last - too many small investors getting burnt.

[jacko07] 17/12/2018 14:41

So a company goes bankrupt and blames Brexit. For those who have experienced bad times, we know that Brexit will be blamed for the demise of hundreds of companies.

If and when we are out, Brexit will also be responsible in creating many companies that will prosper.

We have winners and losers, the losers will not blame their lack of acumen, they will blame Brexit.

Losers always blame somebody else, just witness some on here who can't see past next week.

[jacko07] 17/12/2018 14:16

When the next Financial crisis comes and it will, the UK will hopefully be out of the European experiment. Europe have printed so many Euros, nobody knows the real state of things. Debt is massive throughout Europe. Italy will be the next crisis, that will occur sooner if the UK leave without a deal and it looks likely that it is possible. Europe is intransigent and wants to punish the UK...BIG BIG mistake.

Jan Willem Velthuijsen Chief economist of the Netherlands.

QE..quantitative easing is a dangerous monetary experiment and these are not the times to experiment. Especially not in Europe, where the political gap between north and south has widened in a disturbing way and interdependencies grow bigger and bigger. Europe should never have embraced this in the first place."

Europe has been protected by the very low global interest rates until now. That is what solved the euro crisis, nothing else. What will Europe do in the likely case that global interest rates go up say 150 basis points over two or three years?

There are many reasons for this to happen. The United States is growing faster than expected, Chinese growth might pick up again. What if Germany, France and the Netherlands continue to grow, and Italy, Greece and Portugal don’t? Then the gap between the higher income rates they have to pay and their lack of growth creates a massive problem."

[guss] 17/12/2018 13:58

I’m pretty sure a lot of companies will blame their failure on Brexit, regardless of how much effect it actually has. Although it’s very hard to quantify as sometimes it’s just general sentiment and lack of feel good factor that stops companies investing or expanding and we get a tidal wave of apathy.

There are a lot of “Zombie” companies out there. They really died a long time ago but are kept upright by interest free and ridiculously levered loans. If we every get back to normal, what ever that was, it will all look different when the chickens come home to roost. Maybe we will have to pay, or maybe we can force it onto some other poor country.

[ak47high] 17/12/2018 13:39

Minerve, the leavers believe that anything bad about Brexit is down to project fear. It’s an impossible situation, anyone suggesting a problem is telling lies. I can’t get my head around it.

[grahamite2] 17/12/2018 13:33

I am justly rebuked! Fair enough.

[guss] 17/12/2018 13:23

LOL, grahamite3. Typical leaver...they were his words.

[grahamite2] 17/12/2018 13:18

"Trying to reman neutral"

"the big red bus lies"

Yup, that's a remainer for you.

[ladeside] 17/12/2018 13:17

GUSS, Yes, there still seems many in this country who believe the "EU" are / were a completely different entity that dictated policy to us in the UK as opposed to us actually being powerful members of this entity who were in fact responsible for many of the laws passed.

As you say, people believe what they want to believe despite the facts and that's why so many charlatans do so well out of this country.......

[montyhedge] 17/12/2018 13:15

Capitulation on its way for shares. Investors sleepwalking into Brexit, thinking everything will be ok.

[montyhedge] 17/12/2018 13:13

Ekuu
Side show, you having a laugh. Investors sleepwalking into brexit, thinking everything will be ok. Capitulation on its way, when we have the big sell off in stocks, my view.