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[xxxxxy] 06/12/2020 02:36

Party Pauper5 Dec 2020 7:10AMI don't know about anybody else, but when I voted leave I bore the EU no Ill will whatsoever. I just didn't like the direction they were taking, and thought it was no longer right for the UK. The last four years have done nothing but validate my decision. I now see the EU for what it really is. A monstrous, profligate kleptocracy, that serves only the EU, and not the member states. As far as I am concerned now, the sooner it is gone for good, the better. ... Daily Telegraph

[xxxxxy] 06/12/2020 02:25

this weekend have been described as "critical" and "difficult". There's always a bit of posturing in negotiations – both sides want their voters to think they've "won" – but there clearly are differences.There is tension with France over fishing and state aid, and the Monday deadline is harder than usual. The EU Council has its last meeting of the year on Thursday: a deal would need to be approved before then if it's to be signed off by the leaders of the member states on schedule.If a deal hasn't been agreed, the UK's Internal Market Bill will return to the Commons next week with the Northern Irish clauses most likely reinserted. The EU would object to that in the strongest possible terms.The clock is ticking, but a deal can be done. Almost every stakeholder on the British side wants one, even Chris Bryant, the Labour MP and implacable Remainer, who has told this newspaper that he will vote for it if it's put to the House because it would be better than no deal at all. Throughout the Brexit process, the broadcast media presented the EU side as unified and rational, while Britain was characterised as unreasonable and chaotic – and there's no denying that, prior to Boris Johnson winning his majority in 2019, the UK was all over the place.But the roles have been reversed. It is Britain that now wants to move on: we've got a vaccine to roll out and an economy to rebuild, so there's no time to waste. It is the EU that suddenly looks divided and that threatens delay. The talks have turned into a test of the EU's ability to act in concert or in its own self-interest.Can Brussels persuade Paris to do the right thing for everyone? Britain and France have plenty of common ground, given our geographic proximity and the amount of business we do together, and the historical entente cordiale is reflected in our support for military action in the Sahel.Britain is determined to strike a fair deal on fishing rights because of its economic and symbolic importance to our people, but if France really is willing to go to the wall over this, or state aid, it will prevent a trade deal for the entire EU – and probably lose the right to fish in our waters altogether.If Emmanuel Macron thinks he can make this gamble because Britain would be so chastened by a no-deal outcome that it would return to the negotiating table next year, cap in hand, that just shows that he still doesn't understand what Brexit was about.In 2016, along with the question "should we leave?" was asked, "if we weren't members, would we join?" Despite all the disruption a no-deal Brexit would involve, it's hard to imagine Mr Johnson begging for a second chance to be beholden to European rules, let alone to surrender control of our waters.Many readers will probably have been reminded of why they themselves voted to leave. In the 1970s, we were told we were joining a free trade bloc: it was, for most Britons, an entirely pragmatic and unemotional question. But the Europeans were intent on forming a political union spanning an entire continent.Failure in these talks would suggest that's a fantasy: the EU is composed of 27 different countries, pulling in different directions, and it can only move as fast as its most conservative member.It is obsessed with rules and regulations. Illustrative of the cultural gulf between us is the approval of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine. It's true that its production was an international effort, and correct that under EU rules, member states can, in emergency situations, choose to approve it independently. But the fact stands that those operating under the aegis of the European Medicines Agency have not yet greenlit the vaccine while Britain, operating under its own agency, has.The decision was met in the UK with relief but also, after months of the state getting so much wrong, with a touch of pride that we were finally leading the world to get things moving again.We could be vaccinating our citizens as of Tuesday. It's an example of the kind of "can-do" country that Mr Johnson dreams of building, and that's why the dividing lines of fishing or regulatory divergence are so important: we are trying to maximise our sovereignty and freedom.Hopefully the Europeans will come to see that a liberated and revitalised UK is not a threat, but an opportunity.... Telegraph View... Daily Telegraph

[scruff1] 06/12/2020 01:49

Port- footballers love each other. They show ach other unbridled (pun intended) affection each time they score a goal and before each kick off practice proposing to each other by getting down on one knee

[k38] 05/12/2020 23:21

g2And what principles Brussels have.. if any.As far as I know, dictators have no principles. Lol..

[maxk] 05/12/2020 23:03

Oh dear, as if Doris hasnt enough problems on his plate...now nut nuts is in the firing line




Exclusive: Nigel Farage's roads election pledge

The leader of the Reform Party has condemned the controversial policy as a “disaster” that has caused “untold misery”

By
Steve Bird
and
Dominic Penna
5 December 2020 • 9:30pm





Nigel Farage has promised to field candidates against “any and every” local politician who supports the “madness” of the Government’s green transport revolution, The Telegraph can reveal....

[grahamite2] 05/12/2020 22:57

Or maybe, careful, both sides genuinely have principles which they are not prepared to abandon?

[careful] 05/12/2020 22:53

Agreement seems impossible.
Neither side will give in, too many red lines.
Both sides think that that the other will surrender if they hold their nerve.

[grahamite2] 05/12/2020 22:52

Cheshire Pete, perhaps the Euromaniac remoaners don't care that the EU are not our friends - they just welcome anything that diminishes England and keeps us enslaved?

[cheshire pete] 05/12/2020 22:33

FT today p.4 report that EU budget commissioner has warned Poland and Hungary that Brussels is ready to cut them out of the recovery fund and proceed with the budget without them if they continue to block Europe's upcoming budget.

This is how the EU treats dissenters remainers....do you still think they're our friends?

[cheshire pete] 05/12/2020 22:26

Hoping Boris has stood firm. Suppose he'd fudged and given a deal that resulted in a bad brexit but then one of the EU 27 vetoed it and we'd leave by accident. Does he have control over who vetoes or not...no, so a big unknown.

Great result but he would have lost all credibility, so better that he takes control and stands firm and becomes a national hero. No brainer. Sure Govey will have done his bit in preparing us for the no deal scenario, so no fears there.

[buywell3] 05/12/2020 22:12

====== JPMorgan Chase & Co. will be opening a UK Digital Bank Q1 2021 ======


Has this been talked about ?

Along with others planning to move into the UK and take market share from our olde dinosaur banks


JPMorgan Chase & Co. are working with Amazon on this initiative

dyor

[portside1] 05/12/2020 21:46

Back to lloys can we get them down on Monday morning that is what I want under 36 would be nice

[portside1] 05/12/2020 21:45

I also make payments to the tax man but it does not bother me It's those that avoid paying it that makes e sick they are parasites and hope they die young

[scruff1] 05/12/2020 21:37

According to the Express Doris has told em they have to budge and if they aint by the time he phones UVL on Monday - thats it. Finito. The end game is near methinks

[portside1] 05/12/2020 21:37

And today I have made hundreds

[portside1] 05/12/2020 21:36

Yes but they are treated with respect and loved

[scruff1] 05/12/2020 21:24

Hang on porty - you pay to watch horses run around a grass track. They dont even kick a ball only each other and sometimes a jockey

[portside1] 05/12/2020 21:03

Footballers are just thugs and pigs And those that pay to see them kick a ball about deserve to be poor , they must be sick

[jl5006] 05/12/2020 21:01

PF
BJ - guess u admire him.
i did til he played with a silly thing and green and got rid of the drivers.
lost soul now!
The country cannot prosper mightily with a totally green agenda!!!
And that his HS2 still stands.

[maxk] 05/12/2020 20:15

Why would the €uro atmosphere contain much optimism?

Cos it's starting to look like Doris has finally grown a pair, and told them the show is over.


If they cant see that he is in a corner he cant get out of...ie, his own party will rip his guts out if he tries a u-turn...then they really should get some real world advice.

The party is over!