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[xxxxxy] 06/12/2020 11:58

EUSSR = Animal Farm in our time.Goodbye to all that.No DealWTOLiberty

[xxxxxy] 06/12/2020 11:56

Lauren Sullivan5 Dec 2020 6:25PMPointless purgatory continues. This is simply now a PR exercise so that both sides look like they tried, when in reality No Deal is all but certain. I for one am happy with that.457LikeReplyPhilip A D Secretan5 Dec 2020 6:27PM@Lauren Sullivan Me too! In spades!177LikeReplyElizabeth Kirkby5 Dec 2020 6:24PMExcellent news! Now, let us make our final farewell to the EU with a clean break immediately. No more talking; just finalise our departure without a trade deal being done. ... Daily Telegraph

[xxxxxy] 06/12/2020 11:54

Don Coyote5 Dec 2020 6:25PMWe liberated them, rebuilt them, defended them and they treat us like hostile enemies.Cancel negotiations, cancel the WA on the grounds that they have clearly negotiated in bad faith and re-orient the entire British state towards bringing down the undemocratic EU before they build an army.516LikeReplyPhilip A D Secretan5 Dec 2020 6:29PM@Don Coyote I agree with your first paragraph, but I have no wish to  "bring them down". Let them continue in their own, muddled, way.210LikeReplyBob Wright5 Dec 2020 6:31PM@Philip A D Secretan @Don Coyote . They will bring themselves down without our help. Merkel may personally strangle Macron!... Daily Telegraph

[xxxxxy] 06/12/2020 11:52

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[investtofly] 06/12/2020 11:51

Can't beat a good dose of nepotism.......

[minerve 2] 06/12/2020 11:50

Taking back control?

YOU MUST BE JOKING!

[xxxxxy] 06/12/2020 11:49

Why are we still gambling with the EU on Brexit?Dicey games for Boris in the Last Chance Brexit Saloon?© Brexit Facts4EU.Org 2020Brexit Facts4EU.Org Sunday editorial looking at Boris's odds in the EU's casinoReaders will be aware from news reports yesterday that the vaunted telephone call between the Prime Minister and the President of the EU Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, failed to change a thing. The two sides are still a long way apart, despite having had four-and-a-half years to sort out the arrangements for the UK's departure from the European Union.Has Brexit really come down to the 2.8% chance of throwing a double-six?Last night a UK Government source said:"This is the final throw of the dice. There is a fair deal to be done that works for both sides butthis will only happen if the EU is willing to respect the fundamental principles of sovereignty and control."Most of the media picked up on the soundbite of "the final throw of the dice" without questioning that this phrase suggests the last move in a 'dicey' game of chance. We believe that a great many voters would have hoped that the terms of the UK's final exit from the EU would have involved rather more deliberation and certainty.This is still about 'fundamental principles', not the details of cod quotasThe second question for the Prime Minister is this:If the EU is still failing "to respect the fundamental principles of sovereignty and control,"then how is it remotely possible that "There is a fair deal to be done"?If the EU hasn't understood the basic premise of Brexit in four-and-a-half years, what chance is there of it suddenly seeing the light in the final hours left before the EU Summit on Thursday? For "a fair deal to be done", the EU would have to make a complete volte-face and then alter almost every aspect and detail of its unreasonable demands. This would have to happen on everything from cod quotas to complex 'rules of origin' percentages to the complete removal of the ECJ from any arbitration role in UK life. And a hundred other major issues on top.In the words of the old song, "That ain't going to happen". This is not like trying to throw a double-six when the dice are loaded to land on ones, it's more like trying to throw a double-six when the EU supplied the dice and finding that each face only contains a single black dot.So what is going to happen tomorrow?Tomorrow (Monday) evening, the Prime Minister is due to speak to the EU Commission President again, to review the state of play after the two sets of negotiators have spent a further two days talking. Quite what the point was of sending poor Lord Frost back to Brussels when the EU's negotiating mandate hasn't changed – and indeed has hardened thanks to the French and a few other countries – is beyond our understanding.In essence there are two broad schools of thought amongst the community of major Brexit organisations. One school believes that the Prime Minister and his team will not compromise on sovereignty and that they have played a waiting game to force the EU into declaring an untenable position from which the UK can then walk away. This school argues that Mr Johnson must be seen to have 'gone the extra mile'.The second school of thought amongst Brexit organisations comes from a lack of trust in the Prime Minister. They believe that the moves for some time have been 'choreographed' and that a fudged deal will miraculously be announced this week, with a resounding "I said we'd get Brexit done and we have! We stood firm and against all the odds we've won a marvellous victory for the country!"OBSERVATIONSWhere will Brexit Facts4EU.Org stand?We will continue to maintain our independent stance and will review the outcomes next week in a dispassionate and factual manner. Our first question will always be:"Does this outcome deliver a fully free, fully independent, and fully sovereign United Kingdom?"Please do let us know your thoughts, using our comment facility below.We hope to have your continued support and readership, during the critical days which follow. In the meantime, please help to keep our essential work going by making a donation today. As a result of Covid the level of donations we have been receiving is well below that which we need to survive. Quick, secure and confidential donation links are below, and you will receive a warm and friendly 'thank you' email from a member of our team.Politicians and journalists can contact us for details, as ever.Brexit Facts4EU.Org, Sun 06 Dec 2020

[minerve 2] 06/12/2020 11:45

The EU demands seem totally reasonable. You get access to the free market if you agree to play fair. What is so contentious about that?

[minerve 2] 06/12/2020 11:44

Do the changes only affect Boston or will they be witnessed elsewhere?

[ball deap] 06/12/2020 11:43

The EU and USA are screwed. Bideen has one of George soros open societies men in his cabinet, they will flood the US and EU with migrant like in 2016. The USA isn't our friend or anyone else's , it's so corrupt now it's festering. China rise is now unstoppable really, buy HSBC and STAN now to capitalise.

[minerve 2] 06/12/2020 11:43

I'm really excited about 2021. What delectable delights will we get from Brexit and what do I expect to see that benefits me personally?

[minerve 2] 06/12/2020 11:41

maxk

"Now when do you think you will find the meaning of life?"

I don't know, but you will not find it reading The Sun. ;)

[minerve 2] 06/12/2020 11:40

"The sticking points remain - quite fundamental ones. We've been clear all along that we can only do an agreement if it respects our sovereignty."

The chimps keep on saying this. Have they got any evidence to suggest this isn't the case? Probably not. Just playing to the numpties.

[maxk] 06/12/2020 11:40

True enough Min. Now when do you think you will find the meaning of life?

[minerve 2] 06/12/2020 11:34

Sovereignty = freedom = WTO rules.

[grahamite2] 06/12/2020 11:31

Brilliant editorial from The Telegraph, thanks Max.

[investtofly] 06/12/2020 11:28

Macron has already admitted that The French people would vote to leave The EU if they were given a referendum and I'm sure Germany would do the same.That is why they're playing Hard Ball.

[grahamite2] 06/12/2020 11:28

It's not so much that the EU never wanted a deal, but rather, they wanted a deal 100% on their terms, 0% on ours.

The EU does not do negotiation, it gives orders. Ask Dave. Ask Greece.

But this country has had enough of taking orders from them.

[maxk] 06/12/2020 11:20

THE SUN ON SUNDAY SAYS If Brexit talks break down, it’s clear the EU never really
wanted a deal and just wanted to punish Britain



COMMENT
The Sun
5 Dec 2020, 23:43Updated: 5 Dec 2020, 23:43






WE’VE just moved a giant step closer to a No Deal Brexit.

Against all odds our negotiators worked doggedly to bring us to the brink of an historic trade agreement.


But after last night’s call between Boris Johnson and Ursula von der Leyen it is clear that is now dangling by the thinnest of threads.

The reason for this is clear — the entirely unreasonable approach of the EU.

Firstly they dragged their feet agreeing the legal text, then at the last minute European negotiators hijacked talks with a raft of last-minute demands.

These changes were made at the behest of France’s petulant president Emmanuel Macron — trying to seize our historic rights to shore up his plunging popularity.

His insistence that his fishermen retain rights to our waters for ten years are frankly ludicrous, and we must never give in to them.

Brexit is about wresting back control of our sovereignty — and that includes our waters.

Today our negotiating team heads to Brussels in what must surely be the final attempt to patch together a deal.

If, as looks certain, these talks break down there is only one conclusion to be drawn: the EU never really wanted a deal.

Instead its most vocal elements were hellbent on punishing Britain for daring to vote for Brexit.

Whatever the cost to both sides.