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[investtofly] 06/12/2020 10:24

Totally agree with you about the Jocks. Can't wait for the next vote for Independence butPLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Let ALL of The U.K. vote

[scruff1] 06/12/2020 10:21

Have you seen the picture on the MoS. Huge crowds at Harrods. Police make 4 arrests for breaching covid rules. Looks to me like those 4 must have been plumb unlucky. Bet I know what colour they were or we would surely have heard a tad more. They have made more arrests playing Dukes of Hazard on the Yorkshire border

[utrickytrees] 06/12/2020 10:09

Your about Alphorn, is Helmut still hard?

[maxk] 06/12/2020 09:39

Boris Johnson will make 'one last throw of the dice' in Brexit trade talks after hour-long phone call with EU chief failed to resolve 'significant differences' - and could address the nation on No Deal if deadlock remains by tomorrow



Boris Johnson and Ursula von der Leyen failed to resolve 'significant differences'

Talks will resume on Monday in hope that the impasse can be broken by evening

If no agreement is made Mr Johnson could make a dramatic address to nation

He might be forced to announce that the UK will leave the EU without a deal


By GLEN OWEN and BRENDAN CARLIN and ANNA MIKHAILOVA FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY

PUBLISHED: 22:40, 5 December 2020 | UPDATED: 09:15, 6 December 2020



Boris Johnson will make 'one last throw of the dice' in trade talks with the EU on Monday to avert a No Deal Brexit at the end of the month as negotiations remained deadlocked this weekend.

An hour-long phone call between the Prime Minister and European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen failed to resolve the 'significant differences' between London and Brussels over French demands for Britain to remain tied to EU rules. Talks will resume in Brussels today.

If the impasse is not broken by tomorrow evening, when Mr Johnson and Ms von der Leyen speak again, Mr Johnson could make a dramatic address to the nation announcing that the UK will leave without a deal.


The Government's scope to make concessions in the talks is limited by pressure from Brexit-supporting Tory backbenchers – some of whom have privately threatened to try to force a leadership contest if the Prime Minister surrenders any of the country's post-EU freedoms.



After making the call from his Chequers country escape, Mr Johnson released a joint statement with Ms von der Leyen which said that 'significant differences remain on three critical issues: level playing field, governance and fisheries', adding: 'Both sides underlined that no agreement is feasible if these issues are not resolved.'

Last night, a source close to the talks said: 'This is the final throw of the dice.

'There is a fair deal to be done that works for both sides but this will only happen if the EU is willing to respect fundamental principles of sovereignty and control.'

British negotiators were left stunned by a sudden hardening of the EU position at the behest of French President Emmanuel Macron, who said he would veto any deal that threatened French interests.

One source called them 'unprecedented last-minute demands incompatible with our commitment to becoming a sovereign nation', adding: 'There is barely any time left, and this process may not end in agreement.'

Peter Bone, one of the 'Spartans', a group of Tory MPs named for their hard line on Brexit, said: 'I would bet my house Boris won't sell out Britain in any deal he gets.'



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[alphorn] 06/12/2020 09:30

Using your inexistent judgment I don't expect to read anything about the EU or the US on this thread. You don't live there and any comments are irrelevant. Fool.

[alphorn] 06/12/2020 09:28

mm2 - your blinkers are your problem. The lack of judgement on this thread is demonstrated time and time again. I would not get you to change a tap.

[nick100] 06/12/2020 09:19

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/dec/04/lloyds-to-move-700-staff-into-full-time-homeworking-roles-covid

[mikemichael2] 06/12/2020 09:11

Alp, you have left the UK and decided to Live in Europe, your comments on the UK are irrelevant.

[jordaggy] 06/12/2020 09:08

Pillion, what does it signify? is it good?

[alphorn] 06/12/2020 09:08

Both cheshire and G2 getting over emotional this morning. What a couple of wets. Lol

[asa8] 06/12/2020 08:51

Big respect to the millwall fans for booing taking the knee yesterday about time this madness was stopped

[maxk] 06/12/2020 08:40

Brexit deal: Boris Johnson sings Waltzing Matilda, but Macron’s not prepared to dance

With the French president refusing to give ground in EU negotiations, the PM is eyeing ‘Australian-style trade’ in the event of a no-deal


Tim Shipman
, Political Editor
Sunday December 06 2020, 12.01am, The Sunday Times




No 10 normally echoes to the sound of 24-hour news, so it was with surprise that those passing Boris Johnson’s office on Thursday evening heard the prime minister singing a different tune. With Brexit talks stalled and no-deal looming, Johnson gave an impromptu rendition of Waltzing Matilda.

The message was clear: the prime minister was now preparing to do business with the European Union on the same terms as Australia — otherwise known as World Trade Organisation terms, for all member nations that have not negotiated bespoke deals.

Four years, five months and 13 days since the EU referendum, Britain is less than four weeks from leaving the transition phase and the two sides seem as far apart as ever.

[xxxxxy] 06/12/2020 08:24

No DealWTOExcellent.Liberty

[xxxxxy] 06/12/2020 08:19

The government should set out early wins from leaving without a dealBy JOHNREDWOOD | Published: DECEMBER 6, 2020We voted to make our own laws, spend our money, pursue our own trade interests, to take a global rather than a European view of the world, control our own borders, settle our own taxes and regain our own place on major international bodies. The EU and their Remain friends in the UK have set out for four and half years now to thwart these aims and to recreate legal controls and barriers over our actions. It is time to break free.The government should explain how we willTake VAT off items like green products and female hygiene products. Set Corporation Tax definitions and rates to make the UK competitive globallyOperate the points based migration system which meets the needs of the UK and controls numbers of economic migrantsReform our benefits system to help people here more, and reduce incentives to come here to try to settleAs a full member of the WTO pursue more great trade deals, including one with the Trans Pacific Partnership and including servicesControlling all our own fish and creating a much bigger fishing and fish processing industry at homeCutting food miles by redirecting farm subsidies to promote UK food productionUsing public procurement to help UK based production of goods and services, whilst continuing with competitive tenderingReducing harmful or needless regulation to make the UK more responsive and business friendly, whilst maintaining or enhancing high standards in areas like employment law and health and safetyRaising animal welfare standards, starting by removing export of live animals or transit of live animals through the UK to other destinations.

[ekuuleus] 06/12/2020 05:43

Horses respected? Is that what the whip is for?

[xxxxxy] 06/12/2020 02:36

Party Pauper5 Dec 2020 7:10AMI don't know about anybody else, but when I voted leave I bore the EU no Ill will whatsoever. I just didn't like the direction they were taking, and thought it was no longer right for the UK. The last four years have done nothing but validate my decision. I now see the EU for what it really is. A monstrous, profligate kleptocracy, that serves only the EU, and not the member states. As far as I am concerned now, the sooner it is gone for good, the better. ... Daily Telegraph

[xxxxxy] 06/12/2020 02:25

this weekend have been described as "critical" and "difficult". There's always a bit of posturing in negotiations – both sides want their voters to think they've "won" – but there clearly are differences.There is tension with France over fishing and state aid, and the Monday deadline is harder than usual. The EU Council has its last meeting of the year on Thursday: a deal would need to be approved before then if it's to be signed off by the leaders of the member states on schedule.If a deal hasn't been agreed, the UK's Internal Market Bill will return to the Commons next week with the Northern Irish clauses most likely reinserted. The EU would object to that in the strongest possible terms.The clock is ticking, but a deal can be done. Almost every stakeholder on the British side wants one, even Chris Bryant, the Labour MP and implacable Remainer, who has told this newspaper that he will vote for it if it's put to the House because it would be better than no deal at all. Throughout the Brexit process, the broadcast media presented the EU side as unified and rational, while Britain was characterised as unreasonable and chaotic – and there's no denying that, prior to Boris Johnson winning his majority in 2019, the UK was all over the place.But the roles have been reversed. It is Britain that now wants to move on: we've got a vaccine to roll out and an economy to rebuild, so there's no time to waste. It is the EU that suddenly looks divided and that threatens delay. The talks have turned into a test of the EU's ability to act in concert or in its own self-interest.Can Brussels persuade Paris to do the right thing for everyone? Britain and France have plenty of common ground, given our geographic proximity and the amount of business we do together, and the historical entente cordiale is reflected in our support for military action in the Sahel.Britain is determined to strike a fair deal on fishing rights because of its economic and symbolic importance to our people, but if France really is willing to go to the wall over this, or state aid, it will prevent a trade deal for the entire EU – and probably lose the right to fish in our waters altogether.If Emmanuel Macron thinks he can make this gamble because Britain would be so chastened by a no-deal outcome that it would return to the negotiating table next year, cap in hand, that just shows that he still doesn't understand what Brexit was about.In 2016, along with the question "should we leave?" was asked, "if we weren't members, would we join?" Despite all the disruption a no-deal Brexit would involve, it's hard to imagine Mr Johnson begging for a second chance to be beholden to European rules, let alone to surrender control of our waters.Many readers will probably have been reminded of why they themselves voted to leave. In the 1970s, we were told we were joining a free trade bloc: it was, for most Britons, an entirely pragmatic and unemotional question. But the Europeans were intent on forming a political union spanning an entire continent.Failure in these talks would suggest that's a fantasy: the EU is composed of 27 different countries, pulling in different directions, and it can only move as fast as its most conservative member.It is obsessed with rules and regulations. Illustrative of the cultural gulf between us is the approval of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine. It's true that its production was an international effort, and correct that under EU rules, member states can, in emergency situations, choose to approve it independently. But the fact stands that those operating under the aegis of the European Medicines Agency have not yet greenlit the vaccine while Britain, operating under its own agency, has.The decision was met in the UK with relief but also, after months of the state getting so much wrong, with a touch of pride that we were finally leading the world to get things moving again.We could be vaccinating our citizens as of Tuesday. It's an example of the kind of "can-do" country that Mr Johnson dreams of building, and that's why the dividing lines of fishing or regulatory divergence are so important: we are trying to maximise our sovereignty and freedom.Hopefully the Europeans will come to see that a liberated and revitalised UK is not a threat, but an opportunity.... Telegraph View... Daily Telegraph

[scruff1] 06/12/2020 01:49

Port- footballers love each other. They show ach other unbridled (pun intended) affection each time they score a goal and before each kick off practice proposing to each other by getting down on one knee