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[gaffer73] 22/10/2020 08:57

Holding up well considering the drop in the FTSE over the last couple of days

[maxk] 22/10/2020 08:53

The great british fudge-off








Or, a requiem for Doris..

[buywell3] 22/10/2020 08:14

Soon to crash then



buywell believes due to one fact alone

The politicians greatest hope ---- vaccines ----- will not save us

That is because less than 50% of people will be given vaccines and the efficacy of a vaccine will be circa only 70% ie only 35% max of the world will ever be immunized and not spreading Covid-19 whilst the other 65% are

[xxxxxy] 22/10/2020 08:10

London property prices hit a record high over the summer despite the coronavirus crisis, official figures show.Analysts said talk of an exodus from the capital appeared "overblown," as Land Registry data showed average prices rose 3.5% in the year to August... Yahoo Finance

[mitchy] 22/10/2020 08:08

Another nowhere day by the look of it. Any trade will work.

[mitchy] 22/10/2020 08:00

Second lockdown imminent as figures spike here and world wide.

[mitchy] 22/10/2020 07:54

There's talk of a new trading block between U.K , Australia, New Zealand and Canada. CANZUK .

[maxk] 22/10/2020 07:47

Brexit trade negotiations to restart after Michel Barnier says deal 'within reach'

EU chief negotiator's speech on Wednesday morning paved way for trade negotiations with UK to resume


By
James Crisp,
BRUSSELS CORRESPONDENT
21 October 2020 • 10:08pm



A Brexit trade deal could be done in a fortnight after the European Union caved to British conditions in a “significant” shift that led to negotiations being restarted in London on Thursday.

Michel Barnier said the new free trade agreement “was in reach” and UK sources said it could be struck in “two to three weeks”.

Both sides have agreed a schedule of daily, intensive talks up to the EU’s deadline at the end of this month.

Lord Frost was convinced Brussels was bringing a “fundamental” change of approach to the stalled negotiations after Mr Barnier gave a conciliatory speech in the European Parliament in Brussels.

“We have agreed that a basis for negotiations with the EU and Michel Barnier has been re-established,” Lord Frost, the UK’s top Brexit official, said as he rebooted trade talks.

Mr Barnier, the EU’s chief negotiator, said: “We will seek the necessary compromises on both sides. In order to do our utmost to reach an agreement, we will do so right up until the last day that it’s possible to do so.”

“We want a deal that will be mutually beneficial to both parties in respect of the autonomy and sovereignty of both sides. A deal reflecting a balanced compromise.

“An agreement is within reach,” he said, as the pound made its biggest gains since March.

Mr Barnier’s explicit admission that the EU, as well as the UK, would have to compromise on its red lines and that British sovereignty would be respected brought the breakthrough.

His calls for intensive, daily talks on all subjects, rather than just the three major sticking points, and on the basis of legal texts, satisfied UK preconditions for a return to the negotiating table.

Boris Johnson had declared that he was ready to “embrace” World Trade Organisation (WTO) terms from Jan 1 after his Oct 15 no-deal deadline was missed. Trade talks were over, he said on Friday, after the EU called on the UK to “move” from its negotiating position.



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[xxxxxy] 22/10/2020 07:44

Current UK Government policy is not to deliver BrexitWhat's the likelihood of British people being presented with a sickly-sweet Brexit fudge??© Brexit Facts4EU.Org 2020Are we heading for a "soft, sweet, crumbly substance made from a sugar and dairy mix"?If readers are expecting the United Kingdom to become a free, independent and sovereign country at the end of this year they are going to be sorely disappointed.Current UK Government policy is not to deliver this.It almost does not matter what happens in the off-on, on-off trade talks between the UK and the EU - a possible trade deal is only half the story. And a trade deal with the EU is not Brexit, it is what the words imply: a trading arrangement. On this we expect a grand fudge - "a soft, sweet, crumbly substance" - in the coming weeks, but in some ways this hardly matters.Any absence of a trade deal is, however, highly relevant to extricating the UK from its current BRINO Brexit, as we shall explain.Brexit isn't trade. Brexit means a fully free, independent and sovereign countryThe current nature of Brexit is embodied in the Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration. This abomination was drawn up by the EU and agreed by the disastrous Remainer Government of Theresa May. The Withdrawal Agreement (WA) was subsequently signed with just one amendment by Boris Johnson on 24 January this year.The Political Declaration (PD) contained some small amendments – just enough for Nigel Farage to stand down half his Brexit Party candidates at the election. The WA and PD came into force at 11pm UK time on 31 January 2020.??This Withdrawal Agreement splits the United Kingdom, leaves it subject to EU law for generations to come, and involves a divorce bill so outrageous that neither the EU nor UK Government will currently admit how large it is.Brexit Facts4EU.Org attacked this abomination the day after it was first published by the May Government back in 2018.We have attacked it consistently ever since, in articles far too numerous to mention.We further attacked the Withdrawal Agreement after Boris Johnson secured just one change – to the Northern Ireland Protocol – and we have published detailed research and legal arguments on it throughout this year.?So why is it that the British people do not know they will be an EU colony on 31 December 2020?The fact that the majority of the British public are unaware of what the legal status of their own country will be after 31 December – when we are supposed to be finally free of the EU's shackles – is down to many factors. Here are three key ones.1. Boris and politicsFirstly, Boris Johnson was facing a Remainer-dominated Parliament when he negotiated a revision to the Withdrawal Agreement with the EU. This had to be done at speed because of a personal promise he made to deliver Brexit by 31 October 2019 "or die in a ditch". It was, in effect, a rush job that he hoped to get through Parliament. He failed, so he went to the country in December and secured a massive majority.The problem he then faced was that just because he had a more balanced Parliament this did not mean that he could call out the Withdrawal Agreement as a dog's dinner, because he himself had advocated it so strongly. And so he signed it in January.2. The media and institutionsThe three main broadcast channels – the BBC, Sky News, and ITN are all pro-Remain. The majority of the print media are all pro-Remain. (The Express, parts of the Sun, and parts of the Telegraph are the exceptions.) The country's main institutions are pro-Remain, up to and including the Church of England for heaven's sake.The British public has therefore been subject to a bombardment of Establishment propaganda which started before the EU Referendum and has continued ever since. The Establishment – insofar as it finally had to accept that Brexit was happening, wanted the closest alignment possible with Brussels. This is what the Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration delivers, so they were therefore not about to call it out for what it is.3. COVIDIt is a simple fact that our news has been dominated by the COVID crisis from just four weeks after the UK ostensibly left the EU on 31 January. Dominated is perhaps the wrong word. The news has been saturated in Coronavirus.There were periods when Brexit – the most significant change to the United Kingdom's constitutional status in almost two generations – barely got a look in. This is a shocking abrogation by the broadcast media over the past eight months, who no longer seem able to report on more than one topic.Here is why the trade agreement is relevant to a true BrexitThe Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration, which define the nature of Brexit as we have explained, were predicated on the EU acting in good faith in the prompt negotiation of a trade deal with the UK.The EU has patently failed to use its best endeavours in fulfilling this obligation and is therefore in material breach of the Agreement. This gives the right to the UK Government to rescind the Agreement and it must do so before 31 December 2020.We have set out all the legal arguments in previous articles, many of them prepared with the advice of top legal experts. In our next article we will summarise all of these for readers, MPs, and for the Government.The Government ignores the WA and PD and resumes trade talks immediately with the EUInstead of rescinding the Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration, the Government announced yesterday that intensive talks are to resume immediately, seven day-a-week.In a statement released yesterday afternoon, the Government said:"We have studied carefully the statement by Michel Barnier to the European Parliament this morning. As the EU's Chief Negotiator his words are authoritative."The Prime Minister and Michael Gove have both made clear in recent days that a fundamental change in approach was needed from the EU from that shown in recent weeks. They made clear that the EU had to be serious about talking intensively, on all issues, and bringing the negotiation to a conclusion. They were also clear that the EU had to accept once again that it was dealing with an independent and sovereign country and that any agreement would need to be consistent with that status."We welcome the fact that Mr Barnier acknowledged both points this morning, and additionally that movement would be needed from both sides in the talks if agreement was to be reached."We wonder if the Government read our analysis yesterday of the speech given before Monsieur Barnier's, by EU Council President Charles Michel at the EU Parliament in the morning? President Michel's speech contradicts that of Monsieur Barnier and gives no cause for optimism that the EU will move far from its red lines, which it most definitely needs to do.The President of the EU Council of the 27 leaders of the EU most certainly outranks Monsieur Barnier, so we find the UK Government's assertion that "As the EU's Chief Negotiator his words are authoritative" to be rather strange. We assume these words were added because the Government had also read the speech by the EU Council President, and were aware of the contradictions.If Boris Johnson wants to be remembered for delivering Brexit, he must complete the job nowThere must be no fudged Brexit trade deal compromising the UK's sovereignty and independenceThe Prime Minister must announce that in the light of the EU's serious and continuing breaches, the WA is rescindedA full-on information campaign for public and world opinion must be launchedThe Government must move all Brexit resources to preparing for a no deal Brexit on 31 December 2020Side deals on many related Brexit 'continuity' matters, already agreed with the EU, should now be signedIt is the Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration which prevent the achievement of a fully free, independent, and sovereign United Kingdom. These must now be voided by the Government so that the UK can move on to the Brexit opportunities ahead of us all.OBSERVATIONSBrexit Facts4EU.Org has always been a party-neutral organisation and we remain so. Where we criticise Government policies and actions, our criticisms relate to the handling of the Brexit process. Furthermore, we do not consider that the policies of the Opposition would have been any better. In fact we are sure they would have been infinitely worse.Sadly we have arrived at the point where we believe a classic fudge will be offered to the country, dressed up in pretty packaging much as would be seen in a seaside gift shop.There is no sign that the Government intends to release us from being under the control of the EU from 31 December. To achieve this they would have to rescind the abominable WA and PD, and this is not even being discussed. In addition it looks highly probable that any trade deal will continue to include clauses which no other country would accept from the EU.We are doing what we canBrexit Facts4EU.Org is currently working to persuade all the other major Brexit organisations to participate in a definitive message to the Government and to all MPs - particularly those in the ERG who have the power to play a significant role in influencing events.The message will be simple and we hope it is one that absolutely all pro-Brexit groups and individuals can support.If we all want to see a free, independent, and sovereign United Kingdom on 01 January 2021, then the Government must act now to rescind the Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration. This is the only sure way to achieve a true Brexit.Finally, if you can support us in this work, we desperately need your help via donations. Quick, secure, and confidential donation links are below this article, and you will receive a warm 'thank you' email from a member of our team.[ Sources: The Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration ] Politicians and journalists can contact us for details, as ever.Brexit Facts4EU.Org, Thur 22 Oct 2020

[buywell3] 22/10/2020 01:45

Another case of someone catching Covid-19 twice --- see BUY thread


buywell now believes boris is making a balls up of handling this pandemic

Cases are set to rise from here on --- till strict quarantine measures are implemented

A vaccine targeted approach suggested by the government is doomed to failure and any vaccine is way into the 2021 future by which times 50K cases a day is entirely possible meaning NHS Hospitals will effectively cease to function

[k38] 21/10/2020 23:23

M2 I agree, I understand you well...;))

Barnier will respect and fulfil your needs when Boris is an A-male will dominate you....that frighten you.

[minerve 2] 21/10/2020 23:21

Our Haven

Sure. You've not said much about our beloved democracy have you? Yes, best keep silent old boy. Enjoy your Ovaltine. I expect you will be asleep soon because I couldn't see your wife being up to much. Get my drift? LOL

She is probably watching Corrie on her laptop, eh?

[minerve 2] 21/10/2020 23:19

maxk

If all you can do is make reference that I am an alcoholic because I WRITE IN CAPITALS WITH WORDS AND TRUTHS THAT YOU CAN'T HANDLE you just confirm to me that I'm doing the right thing to wind-you-up and YOU HAVEN'T GOT THE WHEREWITHAL TO DEBATE WITH ME.

Keep it up, I like it.

[our haven] 21/10/2020 23:15

Right, I am for some shut eye and Minerve, you only own your view.

[maxk] 21/10/2020 23:11

Dont worry Min, help is at hand..

[minerve 2] 21/10/2020 23:05

Thought so.

Minerve owns Our Haven.

[our haven] 21/10/2020 23:02

Is Dominic with you now?

[ekuuleus] 21/10/2020 22:49

missed his meds.