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[xxxxxy] 21/10/2020 08:08

Tackling the virusBy JOHNREDWOOD | Published: OCTOBER 21, 2020There are three government models for tackling the pandemic.The first is to give priority in all policy matters to curbing the spread and reducing the death rate from the virus through strong national action. The UK and most other governments tried this in the spring. The problem with this approach is that as soon as governments relax the virus spreads again, leading to pressures to shut down more of the economy for a second or successive times. The concentration of resources is difficult to sustain for long periods, leads to unwelcome deaths from other conditions that can go untreated or may be exacerbated by the policy, and merely delays the spread of the pandemic itself.The second is to see the problem of public health as one for local government. Patterns of infection and pressures on health services vary widely within the same country, so why not have a menu of possible actions for local government to adopt as they see fit? This is the US model, where State Governors led the responses to the virus, drawing on Federal resource and law where needed. The UK has also been moving more to this model in recent weeks with a three tier approach to lock down.The third is to trust people and free institutions within a democracy to make their own decisions about how and whether to protect themselves from possible transmission. Government sets out the dangers and passes on national and international knowledge about the threat and the spread. Government also provides support for those who wish to shield themselves, offering the ability to work from home, to have home deliveries and help with technology to switch more of their lives to on line. Governments can message that people need to keep their distance from possible infection, wash their hands and reduce their risk through their choice of travel and work patterns.Forming hybrids of these approaches is complex. Devolved and local governments often want a say but do not want to take full responsibility. They may wish to lock down, but see it as an opportunity to demand other policy initiatives and resources from central government. Some wish to play politics with it, to try to shift blame onto national government and cast them in a poor light.My advice is to keep working away on a wide range of actions that can tame the virus and make living with it less dangerous. The medical teams are now coming up with a wider range of drugs to treat the severe forms of the disease, and the death rate in intensive care is dropping. More can be expected from improved understanding of the disease and from trials of better treatments. More knowledge and communication about how the disease spreads should lead to more people opting to take precautions voluntarily, to reduce the risks to themselves, which should help.It is difficult to see a Test and Trace scheme which can guarantee success as democratic governments hope. Delays in testing and getting results, imperfect recoding of who was present in an infected location, false results from tests, and reluctance by some to self isolate owing to the difficulties it poses for their lives mean it is not the silver bullet some seek.

[mikemichael2] 21/10/2020 08:08

Bob, there is only about 7 million Scots, about a million of those live in England. You are TINY and insignificant, try and get used to it.

[geckotheglorious] 21/10/2020 08:05

GBH2

True, but despite being Skinny,the Chinese are hardly healthy. Their diet is atrocious - they do, after all, eat anything that moves!

[gbh2] 21/10/2020 07:57

Geko, Bubonic is more about social deprivation, where there's squalor there's Rats, for instance the Plague is alive and spreading in some areas of China and they have some of the skinniest people in the World.

[ekuuleus] 21/10/2020 07:53

3187mw

keep that up for a day and thats worth about £3m/day. Nice.

[bargainbob] 21/10/2020 07:44

Your regular reminder that Scotland exports huge amounts of electricity to England.

19:15 tonight 20 October 2020, exporting 3187mw, about 3 nuclear power stations' worth.

Torness was producing 1214mw on 19th. Hunterston B 937mw.

[mitchy] 21/10/2020 00:26

Trump is so egocentric, like most politicians, 2 Trillion stimulus on top of previous help could create hyperinflation and he wouldn't care as long as he gets another term in office.

[stonedyou] 20/10/2020 22:50

Panicked Brussels ramps up no-deal Brexit plans – grants for EU fishermen forced to close


EUROPEAN Union chiefs are drawing up plans to keep planes flying and protect their fishing fleets after a no-deal Brexit as trade talks with Britain are on the verge of collapse.


The bloc wants to revive previous contingency measures to preserve vital air and road transport links with the UK. And eurocrats are also working out how to spend a special €5 billion Brexit fund to assist the countries most impacted by the lack of a EU-UK trade pact. Brussels sources said France, Ireland, Belgium and the Netherlands would be set for the largest windfalls.


The European Commission has been asked to unveil “unilateral solutions” to cover the most disruptive elements of a no-deal Brexit.

[cheshire pete] 20/10/2020 22:22

So did Burnham and Lees really think Boris would cave in with the EU watching even if he'd felt inclined to? An increasingly desperate EU still trying to get Boris to fall into their trap to keep us shackled to them. No chance.
TBH don't think they even thought it through, it was all about the fall of the red wall and trying to win them back. Socialists don't give a stuff about people falling sick with COVID, only interested in money and politics. Sick.

[cheshire pete] 20/10/2020 21:54

You can't see it, you can't hear it but you can feel the silent majority who'll vote Trump back in despite CNN and the like.

[xxxxxy] 20/10/2020 21:25

Trump is GREAT.EUSSR is BAD

[xxxxxy] 20/10/2020 21:24

John Redwood@johnredwood7hSo the EU now wants to talk. No point unless they drop their demands to carry on making our laws, taking our fish and putting us under the control of their court.

[corby3] 20/10/2020 21:19

Gecko. If you are into reporting crimes, have a close look at Trump, the bloke is a crook, a liar and a conman and it's all recorded.

The New York DA is ready to serve Trump with money laundering charges, well according to those in the know he will be swapping the orange face for an orange prison suit.

[geckotheglorious] 20/10/2020 21:10

"What we know – and don't know – about Hunter Biden's alleged laptop"
But the owner of the computer store, John Paul MacIsaac, was unable and unwilling to answer key questions about how the laptop supposedly arrived in his store,


Meanwhile, the Delaware computer repair shop owner who believes Hunter dropped off three MacBook Pros for data recovery has a signed work order bearing Hunter's signature. When compared to the signature on a document in his paternity suit, while one looks more formal than the other, they are a match!!!!


Pretty obvious how the laptop arrived there at the shop ...Hunter Biden stupidly dropped it off!


"CBS News has not seen or corroborated the data supposedly on the hard drive, and Giuliani has declined to allow other news outlets to review the information"

NOT SEEN the data.

ie they have a bloody clue and are making it up as they go along!!!

[geckotheglorious] 20/10/2020 21:03

CBS News has not seen or corroborated the data supposedly on the hard drive, and Giuliani has declined to allow other news outlets to review the information

"So the entire CBS article link is based on no more than supposition!!!!!

I'll go with the Director of National Intelligence. John Ratcliffe -

Director of National Intel John Ratcliffe just confirmed to Fox Business' Maria Bartiromo that: "Hunter Biden’s laptop is not part of some Russian disinformation campaign.”

Versus CBS's we haven't seen the data on the hard drive so have no idea what is on it...

hahahahaha

Laughably inept on your part.

You're pathetic

[geckotheglorious] 20/10/2020 21:00

Goldnancyboy

"Virtually the entirety of the Democratic Party-aligned political/media class has streamlined this narrative of Russian influence into the American consciousness with very little inertia,

despite the fact that neither Joe nor Hunter Biden has disputed the authenticity of the emails

and

despite a complete absence of evidence for Russian involvement in their publication

Your comment is fannyflaps?

[geckotheglorious] 20/10/2020 20:53

"maxk
Post 317219
"Have you Trumpo bashers ever stopped to wonder why so many zillionaires are backing Sleepy Joe?Civic conscience, love of the little people??"

No,they're too thick Maxk.

[geckotheglorious] 20/10/2020 20:34

gbh2
Post 12833
"We'd all be susceptible to catching Bubonic plague if it were to reoccur here"

Indeed which is why focus on boosting one immunity/general health is key.
No junk food, but food high in nutrients. Vitamnin D/C and Zinc supplements.

And lose that weight fatso!!!

:)

Yours fellow fattie

[jl5006] 20/10/2020 20:28

Oh Dear we not got a clue?

[maxk] 20/10/2020 20:00

Re: Alphorn20 Oct '20 - 16:01 - 317230


Good spot Alp. Swings and roundabouts I suppose. No mention of why E Lilly were moving back to the states.



xxxxxy20 Oct '20 - 17:36 - 317232

This ones a bit of a worry. Seems to contradict the newsflow. Who knows?



Then this at 7 o/c in the Graun


UK refuses to restart Brexit talks despite EU accepting its demands
No 10 unmoved even after Barnier’s offer prompts Gove to make U-turn at dispatch box

Daniel Boffey and Lisa O'Carroll

Mon 19 Oct 2020 18.48 BSTFirst published on Mon 19 Oct 2020 16.59 BST


Michael Gove performs Brexit U-turn at dispatch box – video


Downing Street has refused to restart Brexit deal negotiations despite Michael Gove performing a U-turn at the dispatch box in which he praised a “constructive move” by the EU minutes after declaring the talks “effectively ended”.

The EU’s chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, seemingly agreed to all the government’s demands for the resumption of Brexit talks in pursuit of a deal – sending a tweet just as Gove was making a statement in the Commons castigating the bloc.

[jl5006] 20/10/2020 19:09

Sorry careful
But u need to know.

[jl5006] 20/10/2020 19:04

Just remember
Voltaire disclosed in the 18th century
Doctors put drugs,of which they knew little into bodies, of which they knew less, for diseases, of which they knew nothing at all.
Seems nothing has changed -

Dont forget jenner


But these were diseases