Lloyds Banking Share Discussion Threads

[poikka] 10/9/2020 12:16

"And, as former Ambassador Sir Christopher Meyer reminded us yesterday, "Article 184 of the Withdrawal Agreement commits the parties to negotiate on the future relationship "in good faith and in full respect of their respective legal orders". It's more than arguable the EU is already in breach on state aids and fish. "Trust" works in both directions.""

So the EU has broken International Law, whilst the UK is merely preparing for the consequences of the EU refusing to negotiate.

[xxxxxy] 10/9/2020 12:11

Will only add to LLOY holding if goes sub19p. Crazy isn't it. But there will be a Tomorrow and an upturn.No Deal is obviously the way now.WTO

[alphorn] 10/9/2020 12:09

G2 - if he wanted a 'real Brexit' why didn't he go straight away for a No Deal and negotiate later, if at all? Straight question.

[xxxxxy] 10/9/2020 12:08

In today's brief: Emergency EU-UK meeting over Internal Trade Bill ramifications as seventh round of trade negotiations concludes. Meanwhile, Boris announces 'Covid Marshals' amongst new restrictions and Oxford vaccine trial is set to resume.EU seek emergency meeting: Following the publication of the Government's Internal Market Bill yesterday, the UK and EU are to hold emergency talks as tensions rise. The new Bill proposes no new checks on goods moving from Northern Ireland to Great Britain, and gives UK ministers powers to modify or "disapply" rules relating to the movement of goods that will come into force from 1 January, should the UK and EU be unable to strike a trade deal.Prime Minister, Boris Johnson has defended the bill, saying it would "ensure the integrity of the UK internal market" and hand power to Scotland and Wales, while stating that extreme interpretations of the Withdrawal Agreement could put the Northern Ireland peace process at risk. Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove will meet EU official Maros Sefcovic along with Northern Ireland's first minister, Arlene Foster, and deputy first minister, Michelle O'Neill, as the EU demands "clarifications". Mr Sefcovic has said that "The Withdrawal Agreement is not open for renegotiation and we expect the letter and the spirit of the Withdrawal Agreement will be fully respected."Brussels considers legal action: According to a document seen by Bloomberg, the EU believe they may have a case to seek legal remedies under the divorce agreement before the Internal Markets Bill is even passed by the UK Parliament, and a clear justification once the bill becomes law, according to the bloc's preliminary analysis of the UK legislation.Critics fear damage to the UK's international reputation after a clumsy response by Northern Ireland minister, Brandon Lewis on Tuesday, where he said that the plans would breach international law in "a very specific and limited way".Yesterday, Number 10 issued a fresh line of defence, telling the Telegraph that the withdrawal agreement had been signed "at pace" and it had always been the case that grey areas in the treaty could be clarified later on.And, as former Ambassador Sir Christopher Meyer reminded us yesterday, "Article 184 of the Withdrawal Agreement commits the parties to negotiate on the future relationship "in good faith and in full respect of their respective legal orders". It's more than arguable the EU is already in breach on state aids and fish. "Trust" works in both directions."Latest round of talks conclude: Talking of best endeavours, chief Brexit negotiators Lord Frost and EU counterpart Michel Barnier will also meet for the final day of the seventh round of negotiations on a future trade deal - with the UK government saying it is prepared to walk away if progress is not made soon. The EU is risking adding the UK to a rather long list of failed trade negotiations with major economies - the USA, China, India... but given their inflexible, ludicrous demands, that won't come as a surprise.We'll be watching the press statements closely when that meeting concludes later today. New Coronavirus restrictions: The government have announced strict new measures in an attempt to curb rising cases of COVID-19 and avoid a second lockdown. These include new rules on numbers meeting for social events, fines for venues that don't abide by safety criteria and the launch of "Covid-secure marshals" to ensure social-distancing in towns and cities. Oxford vaccine trial to resume: Trials of Oxford University's potential vaccine could resume within days, following a "temporary pause" after a British volunteer showed symptoms of transverse myelitis, a rare inflammatory condition that affects the spinal cord.A company spokesman for Astrazeneca said: "This is a routine action which has to happen whenever there is a potentially unexplained illness in one of the trials . . . in large clinical trials, illnesses will happen by chance and must be independently reviewed."For the latest news and developments throughout the day, please do follow @GlobalVision_UK on Twitter.Thanks for reading, and enjoy the rest of your day.

[grahamite2] 10/9/2020 12:04

Fair enough Minerve.

For the average Telegraph reader, Boris has done great work on getting us a real Brexit, but he is throwing away the goodwill thus built up at a rate of knots with his fanatical and demented response to COVID.

[minerve 2] 10/9/2020 11:51

Gecko turns up here in many aliased disguises. Remember his smorgasbord of body bag posts, anyone?


ROFLMAO!

[minerve 2] 10/9/2020 11:49

grahamite2

My apologies, I didn't read the article - just your quotes - so perhaps I should take what I said back. But having regularly read the Telegraph for most of the last 12 months I got rather sick and tired of the poor journalism and pro-Brexit bias. My comment generally with regards to the Telegraph therefore still stands. It's a shame they are so biased because it is a good read when it focuses on business and less on politics. I cancelled the subscription. Enough was enough.

[bobdiamond1] 10/9/2020 11:40

goldfinger.

I filtered Gecko a couple of days ago, suggest that you do the same.

Self important loudmouths and barrack room lawyers never have much to offer a discussion and Gecko fits the bill.

[grahamite2] 10/9/2020 11:35

Minerve #314183

The greater part of the article was precisely about the government's move towards fascism, so how is there any deflection there?

It's not just that article, either. The Telegraph is stuffed with anti-government articles and with anti-government comments from readers (including me).

[falklandi] 10/9/2020 11:28

I still think Lloyd's share price will do well, 45p in 2020,
once all this nonsense About CV and Brexit are out of the way.
It's amazing that the Russian have the Vaccine, Putin*a daughter and the Russian defence minister have had the
Vaccine....they will be selling it to their allies at
Discount price.

[grahamite2] 10/9/2020 11:27

Gecko, lefrene - yes. You would expect EU apparatchiks to be talking of "breaking international law" and such, and you would dismiss it as the pure propaganda it is.

But wtf is a Minister of the Crown doing, employing the same terminology? Just how substandard are our ministers?

[falklandi] 10/9/2020 11:23

I have faith in UK, we will ride the storm.
The worst scenario, UK and US will start new war
In the middle East, everyone will be happy in UK and the
Debt for Coronavirous will be paid and forgotten.

[geckotheglorious] 10/9/2020 11:02

Yup, agree Lefrene.
The Brussels bureaucracy needs to be taken out and put against the proverbial wall..

For that is essentially what they are trying to do to us.

[geckotheglorious] 10/9/2020 10:59

Falklandi.
UK will be one of the first to get swamped..along with EU, Japan and USA.

It's going to be the biggest debt implosion ever. Far worse than 2007-2008 financial crisis. Far far worse.

So take advantage of time now to prepare.

[lefrene] 10/9/2020 10:55

gecko, as in so many things the public is herded by the mass media and do not get the true information of what is really going on until it's too late. The bogus cries of "illegal" from the EU troughers is classic propaganda, to obscure their deliberate and calculated attempt to break up the UK! One wonders if Ireland had been promised anything by the Brussels gangsters? Thank goodness the blundering Boris actually seems to have some leadership qualities.

[geckotheglorious] 10/9/2020 10:49

And the truth of this "Remainer shrieking" of UK breaking the law is....

Brexit: EU threat to cut off Northern Ireland from the UK! (4k)



EU threatened to block UK exports to NI

Absolute outrage.

EU needs to be burned to the ground.

[minerve 2] 10/9/2020 10:48

“The distinctive thing about the Extinction Rebellion protests is that the protesters do not accept that members of the public have a right to ignore them. And that, it seems to me, is the point at which the activities start verging on fascism.”

Fair enough point, but as he makes that comment, our own government are verging on fascism and that is more dangerous than a street of protestors.

Telegraph doing its best to please its readership and deflect from more important issues me thinks.

[xxxxxy] 10/9/2020 10:37

Top legal opinion: It's the EU which has broken international law, not the UKFor months the EU has been in material breach of its obligations under the Withdrawal Treaty© Brexit Facts4EU.Org 2020The EU pays scant regard to its own laws, let alone its international obligationsFacts4EU reveals the top legal advice which the UK Government has ignoredFrom the EditorThe following Brexit Facts4EU.Org article and report is important. The Government's actions this week have seriously damaged the reputation of the United Kingdom - at home and internationally. It is of course unsurprising that the EU have immediately started exploiting this for their own purposes. More worrying are the statements from further afield, including those from senior members of the US Congress.The Government's handling of this is catastrophic and must be addressed urgentlyIt is essential - in our view and that of other serious Brexit organisations - that the Government now listen to the legal advice which they have had for months. They must immediately explain that action is being taken because the EU is in serious and material default of its obligations under the Withdrawal Treaty. It is the EU which is in breach, not the United Kingdom.We are aware of meetings which will take place in Westminster in the coming days. We urge all MPs, and the Government, to consider the facts and the arguments carefully. An urgent and substantial refinement of the Government's message is required forthwith. We propose the following:"The EU has been in default of its obligations under the Withdrawal Treaty since it was signed and has in effect broken international law."The UK Government is left with no choice but to repudiate the Withdrawal Treaty and pass legislation to mitigate the effect of the EU's breaches, for the sake of the citizens of the UK and the EU27, and to uphold the principles of international law."... More on Facts4eu.org

[maxk] 10/9/2020 10:23

Good one graham, and spot on!

[pal44] 10/9/2020 10:21

the whole country is Knackered not only the banks . Politics,education ,R&D ,Manufacturing, Sports ,BBC,NHS,Brexit and the weather all messed have a good day atleast ...