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[bargainbob] 22/8/2020 08:44

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Absolutely. It is about Sovereignty and Independence

FreeScotland

[grahamite2] 22/8/2020 08:25

Most excellent piece from The Telegraph last night, Max. It seems hardly anyone saw it, which is a pity.

However, one of the Telegraph readers made the point that Boris (like Trump) has a gigantic swamp of 50 years accumulated wokery to clear and you can't reasonably expect this to be done overnight. Furthermore, he still has a huge fight against entrenched forces on his hands to get a real Brexit done - and this must be his first priority.

[xxxxxy] 22/8/2020 08:09

James Lawrence22 Aug 2020 8:00AMUtterly crazy. Hardly anyone dying. INNACURATE PCR TESTING WITH LOADS OF FALSE POSITIVES! A whole army of scientists not given airtime to explain this is OVER and governments pretty much taking our human rights and liberty. Never did I think I'd live in such a dark age. My wife and I have already put off having children - who would want to bring them into this risk averse, nanny society of puritan mask wearers, furtive glances behind their face nappies at the next biohazard walking down the street. The screens. The misery of those who go shopping. It's so depressing. 

[xxxxxy] 22/8/2020 08:07

009.Absolutely. It is about Sovereignty and Independence.It is not fish or money. It is about considerable more.

[xxxxxy] 22/8/2020 08:03

barry thompson22 Aug 2020 8:02AMSAGE and PHE are coming across a bit hysterical. I wish I was Swedish

[dudishes] 22/8/2020 01:03

Appreciate the idea (Sov), etc....but what of your fishing fleet, does it apply to them? Hounded out of our waters rather recently!

Maybe it will dawn on somebody one day, I'm buying fish (regular), in France, caught by an Englishman, sold through at least 3 parties, whereas I often catch and sell, or buy through 1 party? Cut out 2 phases, good cost cut.

We do not have access to some delicate stuff from UK, as only fish in Locquirec local waters, but the inference is there.

Do you remember the Cod War, who won? Iceland!

Channel War with the French fishing boats? You have little Royal Navy, how the hell do you expect to control?

British, clever, EU need to get a grip, as we will loose out.

Apart from toilet roll shortage, seems the Brits have it in the bag. Should I leave France after 40yrs, no, plenty of toilet roles, and Private Eye Mags if get really desperate.

Points made, hope we can remain friends.

cheers

Dud

[maxk] 22/8/2020 00:34

It's not the fishes Dud, it's Sovereignty. Far far more important than fish!



Sovereignty is the full right and power of a governing body over itself, without any interference from outside sources or bodies. In political theory, sovereignty is a substantive term designating supreme legitimate authority over some polity.

[dudishes] 22/8/2020 00:27

Fishing in our waters, by Brit boats, we would rather have not. Us fishing in your 12 mile Zone, not an immediate issue, the issue is not ENG/France, it is predominately with others, has apart from Alphorn, not one grasped this?

0.2% GDP or less, a good negotiating point for UK, as is licenced fishing potential, clever move. Bit of a Del Boy Move (but are not all politicians doing that these days)?

UK fishers may gain short term, but I guess will be sold down the river long term.

They export most of their fish, timelines/contact/middle man/transport, no brainer.

[scruff1] 21/8/2020 22:34

chavi -643
Its in the papers -- Thats a relief then.
Im surprised you are still reading em. Every last one of them is largely junk, little actual news just column after biased column of tedious opinions and daft comments. And those barmy journos who asked the most pointless, repetitive questions in order to make themselves look smart and to undermine the govt in those evening briefing sessions are the very sad remnants of what used to be a world admired media and is now just woke tat.
If we are coming out of it well no doubt it will greatly upset our Brit bashing sneering liberal elite

[cheshire pete] 21/8/2020 21:24

Fishing still the acid test of Brexit: expect Barnier and his crew to come up with cunning ruses such as allowing EU fishing in UK waters for a further few months after January 'to allow time to complete negotiations', which we know of course would be extended ad infinitum.

Boris needs to make it clear: no EU trawlers in UK waters after end of the transition period.

[minerve 2] 21/8/2020 21:00

Still waiting for your rationale, old boy!

What's up? Cat got your tongue? 😏

[maxk] 21/8/2020 20:55

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[wllmherk] 21/8/2020 20:48

I think Johnson has been a disappointment to be honest, had hoped he would provide strong leadership but, don't see any evidence of this so far. Way too much credence given by the Gov to lefty medics and not enough consideration of the economic implications of lockdown. One aspect we should consider is the upcoming Autumn/Winter and the spread of the common cold/flu. The symptoms of COVID are pretty much identical to bog standard winter virusus, half the working population are going to be required to self isolate at any given time with dire economic consequences. My own view is that we end all restrictions now with the exception of protecting those in care homes and accept we have to live with COVID and it's associated risks. Otherwise, there won't be an economy to reopen.

wllm

[minerve 2] 21/8/2020 20:43

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[lefrene] 21/8/2020 20:25

Alp, here it is on video, Barnier won't negotiate until his demands are met first!

Then with typical hypocrisy claims that the Brits won't negotiate! Perhaps Kafkaesque, best sums it up. I imagine that in Mr Barnier's head it seems reasonable, but then he lives in a rarified atmosphere.

[utrickytrees] 21/8/2020 20:15

Alphorn knows fkall about anything. Hes a complete vacuum of a man.

[alphorn] 21/8/2020 20:10

lef - can't agree with you on that!

I would have hoped that the domestic negotiators that have been chosen were smart enough to deal with a 'difficult customer'. Looking at the long list I have my doubts!

Wait for the US trade deals. Now those guys will know how to negotiate. The count your fingers after you shake hands mob.

[minerve 2] 21/8/2020 20:04

Pretty cool animation from Wiki:

[minerve 2] 21/8/2020 20:02

Alphorn

It seems to me they are going to get their cake or we would be hearing from them, for sure. Their absence from the media is more than just happenstance IMO.

[lefrene] 21/8/2020 20:01

Alp, they're not making progress because Barnier refuses to negotiate until his DEMANDS over fishing and 'level playing field' (not level at all), are met! He's not interested in negotiations as equals, he demands to impose his requirements first and foremost, before beginning negotiations. He behaves as if he has won a war and the UK is discussing surrender terms. The man's arrogance is stunning, but it does rather reflect the true nature of what the EU actually is.

It's rather as if I went to buy a motor car and the salesman won't talk to me unless I agree to buy the car he wishes to force onto me, however if I give in to his astonishing demand, he might let me choose the colour and entertainment system!