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[cheshire pete] 21/8/2020 21:24

Fishing still the acid test of Brexit: expect Barnier and his crew to come up with cunning ruses such as allowing EU fishing in UK waters for a further few months after January 'to allow time to complete negotiations', which we know of course would be extended ad infinitum.

Boris needs to make it clear: no EU trawlers in UK waters after end of the transition period.

[minerve 2] 21/8/2020 21:00

Still waiting for your rationale, old boy!

What's up? Cat got your tongue? 😏

[maxk] 21/8/2020 20:55

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[wllmherk] 21/8/2020 20:48

I think Johnson has been a disappointment to be honest, had hoped he would provide strong leadership but, don't see any evidence of this so far. Way too much credence given by the Gov to lefty medics and not enough consideration of the economic implications of lockdown. One aspect we should consider is the upcoming Autumn/Winter and the spread of the common cold/flu. The symptoms of COVID are pretty much identical to bog standard winter virusus, half the working population are going to be required to self isolate at any given time with dire economic consequences. My own view is that we end all restrictions now with the exception of protecting those in care homes and accept we have to live with COVID and it's associated risks. Otherwise, there won't be an economy to reopen.

wllm

[minerve 2] 21/8/2020 20:43

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[lefrene] 21/8/2020 20:25

Alp, here it is on video, Barnier won't negotiate until his demands are met first!

Then with typical hypocrisy claims that the Brits won't negotiate! Perhaps Kafkaesque, best sums it up. I imagine that in Mr Barnier's head it seems reasonable, but then he lives in a rarified atmosphere.

[utrickytrees] 21/8/2020 20:15

Alphorn knows fkall about anything. Hes a complete vacuum of a man.

[alphorn] 21/8/2020 20:10

lef - can't agree with you on that!

I would have hoped that the domestic negotiators that have been chosen were smart enough to deal with a 'difficult customer'. Looking at the long list I have my doubts!

Wait for the US trade deals. Now those guys will know how to negotiate. The count your fingers after you shake hands mob.

[minerve 2] 21/8/2020 20:04

Pretty cool animation from Wiki:

[minerve 2] 21/8/2020 20:02

Alphorn

It seems to me they are going to get their cake or we would be hearing from them, for sure. Their absence from the media is more than just happenstance IMO.

[lefrene] 21/8/2020 20:01

Alp, they're not making progress because Barnier refuses to negotiate until his DEMANDS over fishing and 'level playing field' (not level at all), are met! He's not interested in negotiations as equals, he demands to impose his requirements first and foremost, before beginning negotiations. He behaves as if he has won a war and the UK is discussing surrender terms. The man's arrogance is stunning, but it does rather reflect the true nature of what the EU actually is.

It's rather as if I went to buy a motor car and the salesman won't talk to me unless I agree to buy the car he wishes to force onto me, however if I give in to his astonishing demand, he might let me choose the colour and entertainment system!

[alphorn] 21/8/2020 19:58

M2 - another view - also possible. Don't you think that they would like to be there to crow rather than stay in the shadows?

[minerve 2] 21/8/2020 19:55

Backing things with gold is not the panacea people think it is.

[minerve 2] 21/8/2020 19:50

"What has happened to the Tory Brexit big hitters?"

I thought that would be obvious.

They have been deliberately keeping out of things and keeping a low profile so Hard-Brexit, when it happens, looks like a result of failed negotiations rather than it always being the objective.

If Boris was truly looking for a Soft-Brexit we would be seeing and hearing more from these bunch of bandits.

[cheshire pete] 21/8/2020 19:47

Agree, it needs to be backed by gold.

[cheshire pete] 21/8/2020 19:46

I don't read much into Cummings being off the scene, indeed his recent public exposure was uncharacteristic. Suspect he's more effective working 'under cover'.

[alphorn] 21/8/2020 19:36

Probably a sound move. (Always take care of any 'paper gold').

[cheshire pete] 21/8/2020 19:36

Alphorn: "The future is very cloudy"....sure is Alphorn, not looking much further than the US election at the minute. Have hedged with a gold ETF in case gold heads seriously north of $2000 an ounce.

[alphorn] 21/8/2020 19:35

cheshire - something is strange. That is why I expect a deal and perhaps some of these guys are distancing themselves? The electorate can't do anything about it; can it???

Btw. what has happened to Cummings as well???

[freddie01] 21/8/2020 19:34

French prosecutors say it “appears”; a 16-year-old migrant who drowned in the Channel was actually a 28-year-old man, with relatives saying France had previously rejected an asylum claim by him.

[cheshire pete] 21/8/2020 19:31

Good point Alphorn: What has happened to the Tory Brexit big hitters? Maybe I've missed news but heard little on stalling of the negotiations from the likes of Francois, Bone, Sir Bernard Jenkin, Sir Bill Cash, Steve Baker, Owen Paterson to name but a few.
Looks like Boris may have gagged them from saying anything as I can't believe that they're happy with the way we're walking into Barnier's bear trap.

The electorate won't accept dealing with COVID as an excuse for fudging Brexit.

[alphorn] 21/8/2020 19:24

max - the two have a link - higher prices mean bigger domestic profits = more taxes. It is the anti dumping comment that I had added. Groups should pay their fair share of taxes - that of course includes UK groups.

[alphorn] 21/8/2020 19:21

PC - I misjudged the collapse in interest rates after the financial crisis. I was running covered forex calls on money market accounts and could have run them out for years. Could inflation and cost of money rise just as fast? I would have to say not.
The future is very cloudy. :(

[maxk] 21/8/2020 19:18

Alp.

Who mentioned pricing controls? I said taxes.