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[maxk] 15/7/2020 20:50

It didnt hurt that Bliar came across as a television evangelist as opposed to the boring grey man.


Both were poison to the british people and way of life.

[cheshire pete] 15/7/2020 20:27

Found the 1st part of the doc on Murdoch fascinating. Working overseas at the time Blair came to fore and was out of touch with domestic politics. Hadn't realised that Blair's rise was due in part to Murdoch seeing him as the lesser of two evils compared to Major who was obsessed with getting us into the EU single currency, and that Murdoch's qpq for his support was Labour's agreement to a referendum on the single currency. Farage comment telling re: turning point in history.

Had previously thought Blair's success was down to his smiley, fresh faced clean image against a backdrop of Tory sleaze at the time, hyped up by the tabloids to great effect.

[stonedyou] 15/7/2020 19:39

Brexit Project Fear unmasked: Did ANY of these five Remainer claims come true?

FOUR years ago Britain voted to leave the EU. Brexiteers were told throughout the referendum campaign that quitting the trade bloc would have catastrophic consequences. But did any of these Project Fear claims turn out to be true?



5. UK's influence and power on world stage to be decimated

The claim:

Throughout the referendum campaign, many of those in favour of the UK remaining in the EU said Brexit would cause the decline of Britain's influence and power on the world stage.

In one such claim, now French President Emmanuel Macron - Finance Minister in 2016 - said leaving the Brussels club would result in the UK having no more influence on the world stage than the Channel Islands.

He said: "Leaving the EU would mean the ‘Guernsey-fication’ of the UK, which would then be a little country on the world scale. It would isolate itself and become a trading post and arbitration place at Europe’s border."

The truth:

It is still too early to fully understand the impact Brexit will have on the UK's international power.

However, since voting to leave the EU, Britain has continued to have considerable influence on the world stage.

The UK was able to co-ordinate a widespread response to the poising on the Skripals in 2018, with Britain convincing both the EU and the US to introduce sanctions on Russia.

And, more recently since officially leaving the bloc, the latest results of an annual soft power IpsosMORI poll on behalf of the British Council also found for the first time this year that the UK is seen as the most "attractive and trustworthy" country in the G20 among young adults.

[stonedyou] 15/7/2020 19:38

Brexit Project Fear unmasked: Did ANY of these five Remainer claims come true?

FOUR years ago Britain voted to leave the EU. Brexiteers were told throughout the referendum campaign that quitting the trade bloc would have catastrophic consequences. But did any of these Project Fear claims turn out to be true?



4. Scotland will hold IndyRef2 and leave the UK

The claim:

In an ITV debate during the referendum campaign, David Cameron claimed Scotland would vote to leave the UK if the country voted for Brexit.

Despite having previously said there could not be another Scottish Independence referendum following the 2014 vote, he said during the televised debate: “You don’t strengthen your country by leading to its break-up.”

The truth:

Scotland remains a part of the UK.

However, support for independence has increased in recent months with a poll from June showing support to quit the UK has risen to 54 percent.

Support for independence reached similar levels in the immediate aftermath of the 2016 referendum before dropping again.

It is believed the current rise in independence support is due to an increase in backing for the Scottish government over their handling of the coronavirus pandemic.

[stonedyou] 15/7/2020 19:38

Brexit Project Fear unmasked: Did ANY of these five Remainer claims come true?

FOUR years ago Britain voted to leave the EU. Brexiteers were told throughout the referendum campaign that quitting the trade bloc would have catastrophic consequences. But did any of these Project Fear claims turn out to be true?



3. UK to be "back of the queue" for US trade deal

The claim:

The US President at the time, Barack Obama, made an unprecedented intervention from a foreign power during a UK election.

Speaking at the Foreign Office stood next to David Cameron, he warned "the UK is going to be in the back of the queue” for a trade deal with the US.

He said: "I think it’s fair to say that maybe some point down the line there might be a UK-US trade agreement, but it’s not going to happen any time soon because our focus is in negotiating with a big bloc, the European Union, to get a trade agreement done.”

The truth:

Negotiations on a trade deal with the US are already underway.

On January 30 this year, just 24 hours before the UK officially left the EU, President Donald Trump's Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said: "We intend to put the United Kingdom at the front of the line."

In March both sides published their negotiating objectives and began talks on a deal.

[stonedyou] 15/7/2020 19:37

Brexit Project Fear unmasked: Did ANY of these five Remainer claims come true?

FOUR years ago Britain voted to leave the EU. Brexiteers were told throughout the referendum campaign that quitting the trade bloc would have catastrophic consequences. But did any of these Project Fear claims turn out to be true?


2. David Cameron's ominous WW3 prediction

The claim:

Prime Minister David Cameron made a dire prediction about peace in Europe if the UK was to leave the EU.

Warning countries across the continent were "at each others' throats for decades" before the creation of the EU, he said once Britain left the trade bloc peace could not be guaranteed.

Referring to the world after Brexit, he said: "Can we be so sure that peace and stability on our continent are assured beyond any shadow of doubt? Is that a risk worth taking? I would never be so rash as to make that assumption."

The truth:

Britain has not gone to war with Europe and no military conflicts have broken out between countries on the continent since the UK voted to leave.

Since the Brexit vote, Britain and the EU have remained close allies standing united against common enemies.

Following the poisoning of former Russian spy Sergei Skripal on UK soil in 2018, the EU stood firmly with Britain in introducing sanctions against Moscow.

And, despite the UK officially leaving the European Union at the end of January, the bloc is still planning a tough response against China after Beijing passed a new national security law which threatens the former UK overseas territory of Hong Kong

[stonedyou] 15/7/2020 19:35

Brexit Project Fear unmasked: Did ANY of these five Remainer claims come true?

FOUR years ago Britain voted to leave the EU. Brexiteers were told throughout the referendum campaign that quitting the trade bloc would have catastrophic consequences. But did any of these Project Fear claims turn out to be true?


1. "Immediate" economic chaos sparking "year-long recession"

The claim:

Speaking in the month before the June 23 vote in 2016, George Osborne made a speech arguing voting to leave the EU "would spark year-long recession".

Arguing the impact would be "immediate", he warned Brexit would have a "profound" economic shock.

The then-Chancellor said the UK economy would shrink by 3-6 percent and a Leave vote would cost every household £4,300 a year.

The truth:

Despite the claims of a looming recession following a vote to leave the EU, Britain's economy continued to grow up until the coronavirus pandemic hit earlier this year.

Despite warnings of an "immediate" impact, in the final quarter of 2016, the UK's Gross domestic product (GDP) increased by 0.7 percent.

However, following the vote, the rate of growth decreased. Prior to the referendum, Britain had the highest growth rate in the G7. In the months before the COVID-19 crisis, the UK's GDP growth was the lowest amongst the G7.

[jl5006] 15/7/2020 19:19

Tricky
The moron came from belgium.
Must be .
I told you he was a woman and u didnt believe me - who else could bleet on an on - but a woman.

[mikemichael2] 15/7/2020 19:18

You see it all here on this thread: "It is all about me, me, me" , self-entitlement etc'

No Min, it is all about you you you!

[utrickytrees] 15/7/2020 18:45

M2 why are you blaming Thatcher for cutting the dead wood out of the UK economy? Someone had to do it otherwise the UK would have been a beneficiary to the EU....look at France! What is your fascination with social housing??? Buy your own fkin house if you cant afford to live where you work you've obviously not thought about it.

[sikhthetech] 15/7/2020 18:32

jl5006, the Huawei ban is BBC, the rest, Chinese withdrawing investment will impact UK economy and property market is my own opinion..

[jl5006] 15/7/2020 18:29

BBC again sikh
Nothing but the best of news on BBC = IYD

[sikhthetech] 15/7/2020 18:23

If Chinese companies retaliate over Huawei ban in UK and withdraw investment in UK, then I think this could impact the economy and property market...

[jl5006] 15/7/2020 18:17

False jobs - just a cost to the taxpayer with no creditable outcome. FGS

[diku] 15/7/2020 18:12

These Inquiries creates run around jobs...

[jl5006] 15/7/2020 18:09

Diku
No point - the damage has been done.
And they know it BMA PHE CCR DFH SAGE - all delivered the failed referendum result.
Cynical view phps.

[chavitravi2] 15/7/2020 18:05

As I understand it they get round all that.

[diku] 15/7/2020 18:03

I told you an Independent inquiry on Coronavirus will be coming...it sure is coming Bojo has said...then Labour will be seeking an Inquiry of the Inquiry...