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[alphorn] 06/4/2020 10:02

They were ordered by the Brexit negotiators who were unemployed.

ROFLMAO

[pierre oreilly] 06/4/2020 09:58

I think the masks the nhs needs are the full face wrap around see through plastic ones.

Many are saying the cloth ones are worse than nothing. But then again many people say a lot of things and it;s very difficult to get to the bottom of what's useful and what's not.

But testing kits which give lots of wrong answers aren't much use!

Whoever ordered them did so because if they didn't, they'd probably have lawyers rubbing their hands concocting some sort of actions against them in the near future.

[maxk] 06/4/2020 09:56

CtR


I know someone who is involved in a test kit chain. The kit is being tested now against claims of accuracy.

If the test figs dont stand up, they are not expecting to sell any.

Never mind millions....None!

[utyinv] 06/4/2020 09:54

Icejelly,

Re post 538:

Pierre can hardly be accused as being anti-capitalist. He was taking the proverbial:)

[crossing_the_rubicon] 06/4/2020 09:52

"diku6 Apr '20 - 09:47 - 299555 of 299557
Anybody know of any damage to body if wearing masks for a prolonged period?"

Depends which mask I suspect.
But doubtful. All you're doing is breathing through a cloth.

Might be healthier if you live in cities with lots of pollution

[pierre oreilly] 06/4/2020 09:48

ctr, wearing a mask just prolongs the effects of the virus. I agree with what you say except no masks should be worn.

Poikk, what you wrote isn't a strategy, it's a requirement. The strategy is the broad methods to be used to satisfy that requirement. I haven't heard any strategy yet at all, and I'd say any strategy goes completely against everything they have done up to now. (I'm discounting a vaccine, since that is too far off to be a serious exit strategy).

[diku] 06/4/2020 09:47

Anybody know of any damage to body if wearing masks for a prolonged period?...

[crossing_the_rubicon] 06/4/2020 09:42

"Poikka5 Apr '20 - 10:51 - 299387 of 299552
Pierre, the exit strategy is fairly clear - how to get as much of the economy moving as soon as possible"

Exit strategy is obvious.
Anyone over age 70 - 2+ months more quarantine
Anyone with co morbidities - 2+months quarantine.

Everyone else, back to work. Wearing a mask mandatory.

Job done

[alphorn] 06/4/2020 09:40

max #542. Exactly, another example of poor judgement. Probably bought by Raab.

Like taking candy from a baby.

[pierre oreilly] 06/4/2020 09:39

It's tricky, imo, in the sense that the solution isn't palatable to the public.

What was your experience of covid? Like a cold, mild flu, serious flu, or much worse than flu? Are you back at work?

I was proud of my daughter over the w/e. They have a 3d printer and answered the call for 3d printer owners to make those big face masks. They raised £800 on line in one day, have enough supplied to start printing now, and have a load of rolls or plastic (of the correct and approved grade) delivered tomorrow to make hundreds more. They are also making the gowns too, cost £4.50 each for the material. There is a central body organising and distributing and controlling quality and design, so they are sending half of everything to them, and giving the other half to anyone local who needs them - there are plenty of nhs front line workers even in their small west country village.

[crossing_the_rubicon] 06/4/2020 09:38

"PatientCapital4 Apr '20 - 22:36 - 299359 of 299550
Thatcher fought to keep the grant of milk but was overruled by Heath. Of course everyone conveniently forgets that Wilson had cancelled free school milk for secondary schools in 1968"


No such thing as free milk.
It was paid for. Just not by those consuming it.

[aljm] 06/4/2020 09:31

i stayed in from day 1 of this, 10 days voluntary isolation, unfortunately being married to a key worker, i still got it, so isolation is not the 'fix' that they want if some part of the lockdown, cant. that is where to me, you either 100% lockdown or dont at all, half and half will not reduce the lockdown time anywhere near as effective, but also , what is the alternative ? i really dont know ,we are back to the first statement , people want to see action from the powers from above, it really is a tricky scenario.

[aljm] 06/4/2020 09:27

Pierre, people are looking now for the powers that be to do something, on from what i see , not a lot is being done, ok Boris is not well, that is unavoidable, but what about the rest of the cabinet ? where are they , what are they doing ? we have probably heard more from the queen , than we have the rest of the Cabinet combined, to me , that is not right , and simply not good enough.

[pierre oreilly] 06/4/2020 09:27

I wouldn't say that lade, more cider socialist I reckon.

[ladeside] 06/4/2020 09:25

You know me Pierre, Champagne Socialist and all that !!!

[pierre oreilly] 06/4/2020 09:25

The number of posts on FB i've seen saying 'Everyone stay in and get this thing over with asap'.

Completely and utterly oblivious to the fact that we are told to stay in to prolong the virus effects, not shorten them.

If they want this over with asap, we'd need to have mumps-type parties to try to spread it. (And for those healthy under 40s, I'd sat that makes absolute unassailable sense, and it's even obvious. But people have a mind block and are completely unable to reason).

The key is ''not at risk' (or more correctly, at a tiny risk)

(Those at risk keep isolated until those not at risk have all had it).

[maxk] 06/4/2020 09:21

Wont argue with you on that.

However, who bought millions of test kits that dont work?

[pierre oreilly] 06/4/2020 09:19

Yeah, but these days the gov are told to DO SOMETHING! ANYTHING! It doesn't seem to matter one iota to most whether what they do makes any sense, or kills more than it saves, or whether testing kits actually work. You see, most will be saying to use the kits anyway - better than nothing!

[aljm] 06/4/2020 09:18

from what i understand, they CANNOT test for the virus itself, they can only test for your body developing anti bodies so that is not very useful, they can only tell you if you have had it, they cant test if you have it, if you are in early stages there are no anti bodies being built by your body so the swab will say negative even though you have it. The Blood test is basically the same principle.

[maxk] 06/4/2020 09:14

Britain has millions of coronavirus antibody tests, but they don’t work


Chris Smyth, Whitehall Editor | Dominic Kennedy, Investigations Editor | Billy Kenber, Investigations Reporter
Monday April 06 2020, 12.00am, The Times



None of the antibody tests ordered by the government is good enough to use, the new testing chief has admitted.

Professor John Newton said that tests ordered from China were able to identify immunity accurately only in people who had been severely ill and that Britain was no longer hoping to buy millions of kits off the shelf.

Instead, government scientists hope to work with companies to improve the performance of antibody tests and Professor Newton said he was “optimistic” that one would come good in months.

However, Dame Deirdre Hine, the public health expert who chaired an official review that criticised failures of modelling in the 2009 swine flu pandemic, said that it was “difficult to understand” why the government had not planned for

[pierre oreilly] 06/4/2020 09:13

Mike, did you buy lgen on Friday?

[aljm] 06/4/2020 09:11

CtR, there is also another thing people will forget, regarding the winter side, if/when it comes then a big % of people are already going to have a builtin vaccine to it, their bodies will have developed the antibodies to it, they would have already had it, so in theory they should be immune to it.

[aljm] 06/4/2020 09:08

morning, that graph is a nice thing to see when you log in today