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[aljm] 06/4/2020 10:22

the common cold mutates at an alarming rate, every time it does, then the existing remedies might not work, that is the issue with the Cold virus, or the sceptical side of me could also say, that it is not in the interest of certain Pharmaceutical companies to find a cure.... will Covid mutate, no one knows.....

[pierre oreilly] 06/4/2020 10:18

Thanks aljm, i hope you and your wife recover quickly. Is it your view that if you are fit and healthy (and under 75 say) most infected will have symptoms like you? i.e. probably not pleasant but certainly nowhere near deadly?

Boris seems to be having quite severe effects. He's overweight, probably very highly stressed, no idea whether he smoked. Would stress cause a much more severe reaction to covid do you think? Appreciate very much your professional opinion if you have the time.

[aljm] 06/4/2020 10:12

just to add, when i say i have had it since, i mean i got the first symptoms. no idea when i first got it before symptoms though, it has quite a bit incubation period so i hear...

[ignoble] 06/4/2020 10:10

In all these years they have not found a cure for the common cold..
Our bodies immune system seem to be able to get us through it after a few days though

[pierre oreilly] 06/4/2020 10:10

You could simply say The lawyers are lining up.

I think there's a case in current circumstances of the gov saying no civil cases are to be brought against any person or company for events which occurred during March and April. There'd certainly be much better decision making without the threat, or certainty, of being sued. Needs refining, but a good starting point. And we'd need trump to do the same, I bet he's willing!

[aljm] 06/4/2020 10:09

Pierre, i am guessing you are asking me, so. so far, i have had it guessing 4-5 days, it feels very odd, it is genuinely difficult to explain it, id dont actually feel that unwell, the chest pains are a bit annoying, and definetely get out of breath a lot faster, went for my normal walk yesterday , it was a little bit of a struggle as keep getting out of breath, that normally never happens, but oitherwise, i have had no temperature, no other symptoms that i have noticed, , so hoping it stays like this.

[mikeran] 06/4/2020 10:07

Boris is recuperating in Hospital and thinking about the end of December and Brexit !!! Lots of Political goodies under the tree at Christmas-- But still no Covid 19 test system of any quantity . They have not cracked much yet !!

[crossing_the_rubicon] 06/4/2020 10:06

@Maxk,

All I can say is "It didnt have to be this way"

As you are no doubt aware I have been pushing against complacency Corona virus side for months.

It was obvious China was lying from the off and that this was worse than the actual figures they released.

Draconian quarantine measures do work. Easy for a Communist authoriatrian state to implement with its social credit system. Less so for democracies.

But all we had to do was not be complacent, isolate the most vulnerable, allow everyone else to continue working but making mask wearing mandatory when out of ones home in all work environments.

Problem solved.

Unfortunately the economic impact is going to be eye wateringly bad but it was always going to be so as the global debt bubble burst..The virus has just ensured it burst sooner than expected.

[maxk] 06/4/2020 10:02

You could say the lawyers will be lining up to sue because the test kits they ordered didnt work.


No win situation. Your damned whatever happens.

[alphorn] 06/4/2020 10:02

They were ordered by the Brexit negotiators who were unemployed.

ROFLMAO

[pierre oreilly] 06/4/2020 09:58

I think the masks the nhs needs are the full face wrap around see through plastic ones.

Many are saying the cloth ones are worse than nothing. But then again many people say a lot of things and it;s very difficult to get to the bottom of what's useful and what's not.

But testing kits which give lots of wrong answers aren't much use!

Whoever ordered them did so because if they didn't, they'd probably have lawyers rubbing their hands concocting some sort of actions against them in the near future.

[maxk] 06/4/2020 09:56

CtR


I know someone who is involved in a test kit chain. The kit is being tested now against claims of accuracy.

If the test figs dont stand up, they are not expecting to sell any.

Never mind millions....None!

[utyinv] 06/4/2020 09:54

Icejelly,

Re post 538:

Pierre can hardly be accused as being anti-capitalist. He was taking the proverbial:)

[crossing_the_rubicon] 06/4/2020 09:52

"diku6 Apr '20 - 09:47 - 299555 of 299557
Anybody know of any damage to body if wearing masks for a prolonged period?"

Depends which mask I suspect.
But doubtful. All you're doing is breathing through a cloth.

Might be healthier if you live in cities with lots of pollution

[pierre oreilly] 06/4/2020 09:48

ctr, wearing a mask just prolongs the effects of the virus. I agree with what you say except no masks should be worn.

Poikk, what you wrote isn't a strategy, it's a requirement. The strategy is the broad methods to be used to satisfy that requirement. I haven't heard any strategy yet at all, and I'd say any strategy goes completely against everything they have done up to now. (I'm discounting a vaccine, since that is too far off to be a serious exit strategy).

[diku] 06/4/2020 09:47

Anybody know of any damage to body if wearing masks for a prolonged period?...

[crossing_the_rubicon] 06/4/2020 09:42

"Poikka5 Apr '20 - 10:51 - 299387 of 299552
Pierre, the exit strategy is fairly clear - how to get as much of the economy moving as soon as possible"

Exit strategy is obvious.
Anyone over age 70 - 2+ months more quarantine
Anyone with co morbidities - 2+months quarantine.

Everyone else, back to work. Wearing a mask mandatory.

Job done

[alphorn] 06/4/2020 09:40

max #542. Exactly, another example of poor judgement. Probably bought by Raab.

Like taking candy from a baby.

[pierre oreilly] 06/4/2020 09:39

It's tricky, imo, in the sense that the solution isn't palatable to the public.

What was your experience of covid? Like a cold, mild flu, serious flu, or much worse than flu? Are you back at work?

I was proud of my daughter over the w/e. They have a 3d printer and answered the call for 3d printer owners to make those big face masks. They raised £800 on line in one day, have enough supplied to start printing now, and have a load of rolls or plastic (of the correct and approved grade) delivered tomorrow to make hundreds more. They are also making the gowns too, cost £4.50 each for the material. There is a central body organising and distributing and controlling quality and design, so they are sending half of everything to them, and giving the other half to anyone local who needs them - there are plenty of nhs front line workers even in their small west country village.

[crossing_the_rubicon] 06/4/2020 09:38

"PatientCapital4 Apr '20 - 22:36 - 299359 of 299550
Thatcher fought to keep the grant of milk but was overruled by Heath. Of course everyone conveniently forgets that Wilson had cancelled free school milk for secondary schools in 1968"


No such thing as free milk.
It was paid for. Just not by those consuming it.

[aljm] 06/4/2020 09:31

i stayed in from day 1 of this, 10 days voluntary isolation, unfortunately being married to a key worker, i still got it, so isolation is not the 'fix' that they want if some part of the lockdown, cant. that is where to me, you either 100% lockdown or dont at all, half and half will not reduce the lockdown time anywhere near as effective, but also , what is the alternative ? i really dont know ,we are back to the first statement , people want to see action from the powers from above, it really is a tricky scenario.

[aljm] 06/4/2020 09:27

Pierre, people are looking now for the powers that be to do something, on from what i see , not a lot is being done, ok Boris is not well, that is unavoidable, but what about the rest of the cabinet ? where are they , what are they doing ? we have probably heard more from the queen , than we have the rest of the Cabinet combined, to me , that is not right , and simply not good enough.

[pierre oreilly] 06/4/2020 09:27

I wouldn't say that lade, more cider socialist I reckon.