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[xxxxxy] 25/6/2019 08:23

The EU’s agenda for greater union – conclusions of the European Council 20 June

By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: JUNE 25, 2019

The EU is busy trying to fill its senior positions without success yet. They meet again on June 30th to try to reach agreement over who should be President of the Commission.

The EU Council last week revealed its new ambitions to take more control from member states.

The EU wants member states to press ahead more rapidly with plans to decarbonise. Countries are being pressed to lower their CO2 output, to increase their renewable generation of power and raise their fuel efficiency. 2030 targets are being set, but the EU has still not agreed on a zero carbon target for 2050 which some wish to do.

The EU is keen to weed out fake news from social media. It will be interesting to see what they regard as fake news, and to see if they start to cross the line between unacceptable material and censorship of material that is inconvenient to the EU. It is setting out a new “framework for targeted restraint measures” which will include asking social media platforms to prevent material harmful to the EU.

The Euro area needs to consider how much further it should go with a joint budget and whether it will start to borrow money in the name of the EU to spend around the union. The Euro area meeting talked of intensifying the banking union and capital markets union. There is also a wish to have more common taxation under a policy that it should be “fair and effective”.

The EU wishes to take greater responsibility for its own security and defence, pointing the way to more common defence spending.

The EU wants to become more assertive in international affairs. It wants Russia to release the captured sailors from Ukraine and release the vessels, seeks free maritime passage there and wants Russia to reduce her influence in eastern Ukraine. The EU continued its sanctions against Russia. The EU also condemned Turkey for her alleged illegal drilling in the Eastern Med.

The EU is planning a tougher migration policy “to fight illegal migration and human trafficking and to ensure effective returns”. The detail on who they will make go back will be interesting, and what their enforcement mechanisms will be. They want to renegotiate the Dublin Regulation which requires a member state to offer safe haven to a migrant if that state is their first place of arrival in the EU. The southern coastal states resent this obligation on them.

We await the new Commission and new Parliament. The old one goes out with a set of conclusions that aspire to much more integration but lack real bite in achieving their full stated aims. Nonetheless the process of integration continues, with the EU using its position in international affairs and negotiator of international treaties and commitments to gain more control over member states policies in everything from defence to energy and from economics to media.

[minerve 2] 25/6/2019 00:11

Oh look, now a staged photo of them in love again. How sweet.

[shy tott] 25/6/2019 00:00

Too many versions of Brexit?

There sure is careful, you yourself seem to invent another couple of versions everyday, and then say nobody voted for your invented versions. Weird.


May's (well done! at last!) version to take us out was rejected.


Well it wasn't May's version - it was the eu version, written by the eu, worded by the eu. And it didn't take us out, we would have remained in to the extent of still being under the command of the eu in some respects, have zero representation in eu matters and furthermore still pay lots into the eu gravy train.


How do you get so many facts wrong in just two small sentences (well I say sentences, of course the first attempt isn't a sentence at all!).

Mind if I ask if you've had a glass of Emva cream tonight?

[careful] 24/6/2019 22:21

too many versions of Brexit.
May's version to take us out was rejected.

[millwallfan] 24/6/2019 22:17

I don't post very often but read this and other share boards a lot. IMHO every single MP has failed dismally in the past 3 years . I voted remain but respect the outcome. Parliament had a collective responsibility to deliver Brexit but every individual and faction ( not just on political lines) has put their own personal ambitions or brexit requirements ahead of finding a balanced compromise IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE UNITED KINGDOM , whom they were elected to govern. Some months ago a poster suggested their salaries and perks should have been ceased for such abject failure. Brexit has already cost us billions of wasted time and resources including diverting attention to important homeland issues and I still don't believe they will find a large majority for a way forward. UK Politics is broken through Brexit possibly beyond repair and even worse this ongoing fiasco has placed families, friends and communities at odds with each other. Very sad indeed.

[careful] 24/6/2019 22:12

Just watching Boris interviewed on the BBC news.
More convinced than ever that he will not try for no deal and WTO.
(but will maintain that he needs to keep the option open)


For heavens sake you crazy no dealers, have you never played poker?
have you never negotiated?
have you ever bluffed?

Boris is convinced he can pull off a deal.

[careful] 24/6/2019 21:50

I want Boris to deliver a good deal Brexit, which is his preference,
and then go on to win a general election.

I fear Corbyn mostly.

but Boris worries me a bit.

his grass roots love him, I used to attend the odd Tory members supper club.
They would almost all be Hard Brexit types.
They hate Johnny foreigner.

Boris has stated that the threat of no deal needs to be on the table to help negotiation.
He also knows that the grass roots love the idea of no deal, so it helps him win the vote.
It will be chaos when he fails to deliver it.
But it is not within his gift, he has not got such power.

(Trump thought he could build a 3000 mile wall on Mexican border, but he needed the money, not his decision)

[minerve 2] 24/6/2019 21:43

Woodford bought Lloyds, no?

I didn’t. Dull stock.

[diku] 24/6/2019 21:40

mark...yes I have also tried the original and refilled ones...I think it needs to be investigated as consumers are ripped off big time...

[minerve 2] 24/6/2019 21:40

Exlogicalad

I don’t think so. ;)

[exlogiclad] 24/6/2019 21:38

How's your idol Woodford Minnie, still conning you and many others.

[maxk] 24/6/2019 21:36

Not that I've found diku, they never last as long as advertised. But the refilled ones are even worse.

[exlogiclad] 24/6/2019 21:35

You, and your Brexit chimp friends could never afford to live down my lane.

Sorry.

Minnie...If it was on the market I could own your lane and you!

[maxk] 24/6/2019 21:33

Who in their right mind would want to live near you Min?

[minerve 2] 24/6/2019 21:12

MM2

You, and your Brexit chimp friends could never afford to live down my lane.

Sorry.

[minerve 2] 24/6/2019 21:10

Notice how Hard-Brexiter not once think about the real risk of families losing their income so they can gain?

It’s all about me.

[diku] 24/6/2019 21:05

Do printer ink cartridges last what it says on the tin?...normally 150 - 180 A4 pages but I don't think I get anywhere near that limit...regardless of heavy/light texted page...is this another form of mis selling...how often do you guys change your ink cartridges...

[grahamite2] 24/6/2019 20:48

A columnist in today's Telegraph reminds us of Donald Trump's amusing quip that he could stand in the middle of Times Square and shoot someone and "they would still vote for me."

It's like that with Boris.

In fact, if he shot the right people, it would make him even more popular!

[cheshire pete] 24/6/2019 20:37

Oddschecker: Boris 2/9, Hunt 7/2.

Suspect that most of the 160,000 party voting members have already decided who to vote for and unlikely to be influenced by what they read in the press before vote closes.
They will remember Hunt voted remain. Once a remainer always a remainer.

[excell1] 24/6/2019 20:35

You are absolutely twisted careful and I see that you are posting much more than you ever used too. Getting a tad nervous of a Boris PM are we, just like the rest of you warped remainers.

[careful] 24/6/2019 20:18

'no deal Brexiteers are a small minority.'

using todays poll numbers we have;( 3 years ago 52% leave; 48% remain.)

56% remain.
44% leave.

We must try to look closer at the breakdown of the leave vote;

How many vote leave because we can get a great trade deal with the EU. and a sensible withdrawal agreement.?
How many vote leave on any terms, crash out, no deal, forget having our cake and eating it.?

Evidence; 1.Polls 2. EU elections. 3. protest marches.

Looking at Farges new UKIP, the Brexit party he managed to get his 5.2m fanatics to vote in the EU. elections.. Close to his upper limit.
He was bit dissapointed because remain parties such as LIB DEM and Greens beat him.
And look how well Lib Dem did in the local elections.

And the biggest turnout on London protest marches were much greater for remain.




Out of 46m voters I conclude that there are 7m no dealers, not much more than that.

The rest are either remain or sensible deal Brexiteers.

Just my estimates, what are your numbers Grahamite.

[grahamite2] 24/6/2019 20:06

Spot on, Max.

[maxk] 24/6/2019 20:03

The very fact that the far left eco warrior loons have taken time off from their usual targets to go after Boris should tell you something.


Notice they are leaving mr nice guy remainer Jeremy alone .. even though the proles in the NHS hate him with a passion.

[cheshire pete] 24/6/2019 19:48

How do you know that careful...please substantiate.