Kier Share Discussion Threads

[dagsteeth] 20/12/2018 07:49

As expected. Underwriters will now have to dump stock, so the hedge funds get to close their shorts on the other side of the trade without moving the market. Well played chaps. Onwards and upwards once stabilised.

[eriktherock] 20/12/2018 06:54

In case you missed it >
Thanks philanderer.
Expect gap-down @ open.

[buywell3] 20/12/2018 04:39

Any company exposed to PFI's is getting hit

It really is that simple

[8w] 19/12/2018 20:48

Happy Christmas to all

[8w] 19/12/2018 20:47

The price action from 12:30 told us the outcome of the rights.

I am hoping this company is now a recovery story. Will have a look again at the end of January

[philanderer] 19/12/2018 20:33

Banks nurse pre-Christmas hangover as Kier rights issue flops


Underwriters including Peel Hunt and Citi face being left with about £75m of shares in Kier Group on Thursday, Sky News learns.

Sky News has learnt that the syndicate of five lenders which last month agreed to fully underwrite Kier's rights issue were facing the prospect on Wednesday evening that just half the new stock being issued would be bought by existing shareholders.

[eriktherock] 19/12/2018 07:27

From a monthly ta perspective, if this doesn't get above 519 by end this month it's all the way down to near zero.
Also, expected support around 418 is now resistance.

[nomdeplume] 18/12/2018 14:56

As they say, it takes one to know one.

[brexitplus] 18/12/2018 11:01

Zimmer, I have no wish to discuss you, but I think it useful for others to understand why you come across as a totally obnoxious individual and are unable to do anything about it.

[minerve] 18/12/2018 10:50

Brexit

If you want to discuss me why don't you set-up a 'Minerve' thread? I'm sure you have enough chimps to have a great discussion over a few bent bananas. This is for Kier investors. It hasn't yet degraded into the Dad's Army threads of Melrose and Lloyds. Not yet anyway. Have respect for other investors/shorters here.

[brexitplus] 18/12/2018 10:28

Dear All

I'm sure you be interested in pages 134-5 of Prof Steve Peters excellent book "The Chimp Paradox” where he describes the following personality mindset


1 The world is a place that belongs to them and others are in THEIR world.

2 They give people a value on how they can use them to fulfil their own ambitions.

3 They dominate by believing that getting the best out of a situation means showing zero tolerance to people.

4 Compassion is seen as a weakness.

5 Others' opinions are irrelevant in most cases, as they believe their opinion is right.

6 Ignoring someone who is seen as being of little value is the best way of dealing with them.

7 Any challenges are met with hostility and aggression.

8 Any admissions to errors, or being wrong, are merely given lip service and quickly dismissed.

REMIND YOU OF ANYONE POSTING HERE?!!! I BELIEVE WE HAVE SEEN ALL OF THESE BEHAVIOURS HERE FROM A CERTAIN PERSON.

This is called an Alpha Wolf mindset.

Prof Peters goes on

"The Alpha Wolf has varying degrees of being a dictator or a control freak and genuinely believes that this is the best way forward as they are best at decision making and doing things. The people along the way are seen as weak. Popularity is never an issue as their success and ego are paramount.

This mindset is often found in business and those with it can be quite up in organisations, where they "chew-up" the pack, using aggression to prove and use their position.

The Alpha Wolf's power is respected and feared but the ALPHA WOLF ITSELF IS NOT RESPECTED.”

[brexitplus] 18/12/2018 10:18

Obviously no sympathy whatsoever for those killed on “smart motorways.”

Kier share price is all that matters.

[minerve] 18/12/2018 10:08

To others, be careful, brexit has an alternative agenda on this thread which is to antagonise me and attempt to discredit me. Just be aware of that. He will not be looking at the facts objectively and his posts will be biased to being a bear because he knows I am a bull here. Sad isn't it. Nevermind, Minerve can handle these weak men.

[brexitplus] 18/12/2018 09:52

Re smart motorways, there have been a number of very serious accidents with associated deaths over the past couple of years. Concern is justified.

[ygor705] 17/12/2018 17:04

When will we know what the take up on the rights has been? If the underwriters have been stuffed I suspect that the rights price will be the ceiling share price for some little time to come.

[zicopele] 17/12/2018 15:37

We are way beyond sweating a small decision like smart motorways.

This baby is falling.

Smart motorways will not save the bacon

[minerve] 17/12/2018 12:31

lewis121

There was a BBC article yesterday about a few MPs wanting to halt smart motorway development on safety concerns. Hopefully the movement will not achieve critical mass. Just one to watch.

[lewis121] 17/12/2018 11:48

Me too. I was thinking of not throwing good money after bad after a 55% hit, but I still rate the company, so I'm in.
Lovely roadworks and hospitals.

[minerve] 17/12/2018 11:29

I've decided to take my full rights entitlement.

[minerve] 17/12/2018 10:10

I'd personally go for the rights if you want to add - when the share price is close. It depends on what type of investor you are. If you like to follow the company and be part of its success, irrespective of what the circus on the market think from day-to-day, then buy the rights. I think being a more engaged investor increases your own chances of success as-long-as you don't let the attachment cloud your judgement. Getting involved in the rights is an action that reaffirms your engagement.

[kangaroo joe] 17/12/2018 09:50

I have as only modest holding and cash was in broker's account and price was hovering around 411 when I emailed them, so hope it's not a disaster.

[grahamnash] 17/12/2018 09:26

Morning. Is anybody taking up their rights issue?

[grahamburn] 14/12/2018 16:59

When I saw GRS's response to your post 1560, Minerve, I thought you had written something of import. So - having had you on filter for most of this year (due to your behaviour on other BBs - I thought I'd unfilter you but was sorry to see that you are still spouting your usual diatribes against all and sundry. So back on filter you go as you clearly still have very little to say which is worthwhile and what you do have to say is certainly not polite (eg 1562).

Thank you GRS for your compliment, though to be fair many years of serious and dedicated investment research made it a no-brainer. In case Minerve doubts it, my earlier post was NOT hindsight.... it was reporting on an actual investment decision (not something for which Minerve is known to excel). OK it may not pay off, but it reduces any downside risk should that happen.