Kier Share Discussion Threads

[minerve] 10/12/2018 18:38

If the Leaver nutters are so convinced it is such a good idea then they shouldn't be worried about another referendum given the new and updated information.

[essentialinvestor] 10/12/2018 18:36

What we know is UK domestic cyclicals are being dumped, and big style.

Now given the glorious future that awits the UK outside the EU, that appears
rather odd.

I mean it's as if some people don't think it will turn out like a rose garden.
Strange that, eh.

[minerve] 10/12/2018 18:35

fangorn2

Hello? Hello? Anyone at home? Democracy is a process and people are entitled to change their minds given new information!

[fangorn2] 10/12/2018 18:20

@Careful

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I hope a new referendum is called.
The only way out.
Economically and saving the union.

How will that save either the Union or the economy?

What's the Question going to be?

If Remain is on the ballot then you consign the UK to civil war.

We voted LEAVE. 17.4m expect LEAVE to be delivered.

Not part Leave, not a tiny bit leave,but mostly Remain. Leave

Only 2 scenarios fulfil that:
1) CETA
2) WTO

All the other scenarios are some form of Remain. And we voted LEAVE, by 1.3million people, not Remain.

How does overturning the democratic vote of the people, once that hasnt even been implemented due to Remainer foot dragging and obfuscation since June 2016, offer a way out and save the Union and economy. If anything it pours petrol on the fire.

Remoaners need to suck it up and accept they lost else Democracy is over.

[nomdeplume] 10/12/2018 18:03

I was suggesting that the WOULD NOT buy on the market.

[montyhedge] 10/12/2018 17:10

Shorters don't have to buy in the market, cfd's or borrowed stock.

[nomdeplume] 10/12/2018 17:05

Volume has gradually reduced over the last four trading days. share price is relatively stable. It looks like we may have reached a bottom. If more hedge funds reduce their positions, we may even get a rise. However, the shorters may wait for the RI to expire and then negotiate a price with the underwriters.

[gettingrichslow] 10/12/2018 17:04

The reality is you like to claim you've got great timing (eg all your 'Minerve will say when' pronouncements on Burford) yet you've gone WAY too early here haven't you?!

[minerve] 10/12/2018 16:53

Perhaps I should wait like the lemmings, getting, until it is obvious that the sky isn't falling in and then pay twice as much as I am now purely because I don't have conviction. Falling UK domestic SPs mean I build my holdings at lower cost. Duh!

I don't own the AA. Sold at 20% profit from around March which is an excellent annualised return. Better than your Melrose return YTD eh? LOL

[minerve] 10/12/2018 16:35

May I thank an incompetent government and 17.2 million morons for giving me the opportunity to buy many companies very, very cheaply. Perhaps I will be looking to buy a nice Italian riviera property once the lemmings stop fussing and the silly dust settles.

[minerve] 10/12/2018 16:32

Maybe someone can remind us of the story Chicken Licken.

I added this afternoon.

Someone is going to be wrong. It isn't going to be Minerve.

[minerve] 10/12/2018 16:31

Is anyone going to post anything of detailed rationale or are we going to continue posting Ladybird scary story classics? LOL

[buywell3] 10/12/2018 16:05

Which other country will be first to join the UK and how many EU parties will have a referendum addendums to their plans and manifestos ?

The possibility now comes into play that another EU country will leave before the UK

Unless their Government like ours ... does not see it through and say

Go back and try again ... tick this box here

[careful] 10/12/2018 15:59

I hope a new referendum is called.
The only way out.
Economically and saving the union.

[buywell3] 10/12/2018 15:57

May aborts vote

Plays her Trump card

UK revokes Article 50

Brexit is suspended for now .... says we need more time to reach accord and find a solution to what has turned out to be a very difficult problem for her and her cabinet to solve.

2nd referendum called by friday

Should please markets no end

[nomdeplume] 10/12/2018 15:54

kingston78: It must be nice to be so sure of of one's self. It's a shame you're not in charge of Brexit.

[gettingrichslow] 10/12/2018 15:28

Surely the top team should walk?

[buywell3] 10/12/2018 15:16

Big picture post

[zicopele] 10/12/2018 15:15

Wow..that is a big post

[kingston78] 10/12/2018 15:05

GE of the USA was once the largest listed company. An employee had invested all his savings in buying shares in GE. Fortunes came and went, and after 30 years GE's share price was the same. That employee had effectively lost a lot of money through inflation. That was a real life story that I heard some years ago. It is no good being too stubborn.

Faith does not always pay off. It is true that sometimes it pays off handsomely. Each to their own.

We all recognise that there is a business, but at what cost. If you read statements by the directors in the last two years' annual reports they had painted a rosy picture. including the latest annual report posted in September 2018, citing many positive factors. Those statements are contrary to some of the things that they say in the Rights Issue document, in particular, credit insurers tightening credit on suppliers. This is nothing new. Credit insurers have tightened credit in many industries for a couple of years now. That is one reason causing cash flow problems. Banks and lenders have been and are doing the same.

Going cap in hand to shareholders (or lenders for a loan to equity swap like Interserve) will always end up poorly. The reputation is gone. If this is not mismanagement, what is?

You will find Kier's share price back in 2002 at this level. Chart wise, once a support level has broken it will become a resistance level. It will take a long time or some encouraging results to change investors' perception.

[minerve] 10/12/2018 13:08

Yeah, thanks Monty. Chelsea had a good game.

wipo1 - no, not a scouser.

[wipo1] 10/12/2018 12:59

Are you a scouser?