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Share Name Share Symbol Market Type Share ISIN Share Description
Kier Group Plc LSE:KIE London Ordinary Share GB0004915632 ORD 1P
  Price Change % Change Share Price Bid Price Offer Price High Price Low Price Open Price Shares Traded Last Trade
  -3.00 -2.7% 108.20 107.60 108.00 111.60 106.80 111.60 1,390,511 16:35:12
Industry Sector Turnover (m) Profit (m) EPS - Basic PE Ratio Market Cap (m)
Construction & Materials 3,328.5 5.6 -0.1 - 483

Kier Share Discussion Threads

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DateSubjectAuthorDiscuss
15/9/2021
10:19
So wolly, do you think the shareprice will go down tomorrow? I have a very strong feeling that it will be going up, but since you seem to be a bit of an expert on construction, now that you've lost a load on Interserve long, and lost even more trying to short Kier, I'm interested in your accrued wisdom. What is the wolly prediction for the shareprice tomorrow?
stdyeddy
15/9/2021
07:12
Lol, Kier's pension trust is 300 percent larger than Kier's market cap. Much of that liability is final salary (larger cost to Kier than most pensions). Kier have been putting large amounts of money into the pension for over 15 years (much more than any dividends paid over that time and much larger after 3 big acquisitions between 2013-16). Now that inflation is taking off, those liabilities will get much higher, not lower as you suggest. A additional £10m cost was added when KL pension fund was disposed in June! It is just another example of why Kier are such a poor investment (bottom of a long list for shareholders rewards). But of course there are lots of party's who benefit from Kier's shareholders continuing to bail out Kier every few years. Which Party do you work for Peter???? !
wallywoo
14/9/2021
22:34
I note Wally you're quoting the "Total comprehensive loss for the period" (54.0m). Of that (53.9m) was from "Re-measurement of defined benefit liabilities". I think we can expect a good chunk of that to be reversed with actuarial assumptions tending to be more favorable around June this year then they were in December.
petersw1
14/9/2021
20:09
Ah, so Wally you've realised and accepted that the share price is above 100p! Only taken you a bit over 4 months that. Are we finally on our way to getting the promised apology?
petersw1
14/9/2021
17:26
Kier had a £54m loss from the first half. There's no way they made any money in the second. So the chance's of them getting a p/e ratio (ie having a profit) are zero.They always do a good (but dishonest) job of talking up the next year. But will anyone believe them?? Always jam tomorrow with Kier. Unfortunately the jam goes off really quickly!! The share price is close to it's support level now, once that breaks it will be below 100 very quickly.
wallywoo
14/9/2021
11:03
You're a bad loser wolly. AND you're a bad investor. As usual, you will be silent on Thursday when the share price reacts to Kier's first profits in two years and the p/e ratio is suddenly inked in, from minus a million or whatever it is currently, to a small positive number.
stdyeddy
14/9/2021
10:50
Yes the obvious answer to poverty is to invest your money in a £550m company with (-£300m) tangible net assets, that pays no dividend (and I believe we will see on Thursday very little prospect of doing so). You are such a great investor Sparty, SYME and Kier!!! Gives you lots of bragging rights!!
wallywoo
13/9/2021
12:38
Bathboy just gone down the plughole. Clearly when kier sacked him he got no references. Uniformed security at Lidl gives him more time to post.
sparty1
13/9/2021
09:21
Throw it in, or throw it away, lol
bathboy2
13/9/2021
09:06
Thanks spartz. I think we will be more than ok. I was wondering if and when you'd get back in.
stdyeddy
13/9/2021
08:39
Fingers crossed for you stdy. I might even throw a few grand at it before Thursday.
sparty1
10/9/2021
13:10
Life is good.
zicopele
10/9/2021
05:20
Plenty of interest, to see which way this goes, not long now
bathboy2
10/9/2021
00:08
So you're saying that you have no interest here then.
stdyeddy
09/9/2021
21:11
Have had money in before, but have pulled out of all construction stocks, risks are too great, housebuilders are ok, generally funded differently, Kier think made a mistake by selling KL, capable of large returns, will see what results say, but would say, Kier have this year and next to clear debt,, if they can't do, the same issues will raise again, government only committing to funding until 2023, America already slowing down and we are overdue a correction/recession, everything so overheated
bathboy2
09/9/2021
15:56
And what is your interest here?
stdyeddy
09/9/2021
14:44
I have absolutely no interest in cost, so why would I do that
bathboy2
09/9/2021
14:29
Bathboy ,why not go and haunt the COST board..you remember that debt free go getter so much a better investment than kier.. The share price is roughly where it was a year ago and down from 69p 6 months ago despite fund raising. Those shareholders are all on anti depressants..
sparty1
09/9/2021
13:39
It will be all ok, apparently kiers contracts are all cost plus, we'll so the dreamers reckon!!
bathboy2
09/9/2021
12:44
Don't see debt restructuring as a concern. Materials costs though are a concern. Buying ahead has largely shielded contractors so far. But at some point it will impact on margins. And Kier needs a run of solid margins.
kierculpa
09/9/2021
11:02
"total estimated costs related to the Principal Debt Facilities Stage 2 Amendments of £18.2 million".
petersw1
09/9/2021
10:37
Really Peter?!! Please tell me what they are? The document talks about interest rate increases and one off fee's. All bad news of course. The closest I can guess is that it would of been around £50m in one off fee's and interest rate increases (maybe upto £80m) . Big cost to the Balance sheet with around 40 percent of the equity issue going in fees alone!!! What's your guess??? Like I have always said with Kier there's a queue for any cash they raise, which is quickly spent. "On the Principal Debt Facilities Stage 2 Amendments Effective Date, a portion of the 2017 RCF Facility equal to £135 million shall be prepaid and cancelled, following which the available commitments under the 2017 RCF Facility shall be reduced to £535 million (the 2017 RCF Facility following such reduction being the “Downsized 2017 RCF Facility”). The available commitments under the 2017 RCF Facility shall be further reduced by £20 million on each of 31 December 2022, 30 June 2023 and 31 December 2023. Following the Principal Debt Facilities Stage 2 Amendments Effective Date, lenders under the 2017 RCF Facility shall be entitled to the following one-off fee payments: (a) a fixed fee equal to 1.00 per cent. of each lender’s commitments as at the date of the RCF Stage 2 Amendment; and (b) an extension fee equal to 0.50 per cent. of each lender’s commitments under the Downsized 2017 RCF Facility."
wallywoo
09/9/2021
09:57
Wally, they already told us about costs relating to debt restructuring in the prospectus for the raise. Will be good to have it all laid out for us in results though. One week to go :)
petersw1
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