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Share Name Share Symbol Market Type Share ISIN Share Description
Kier Group Plc LSE:KIE London Ordinary Share GB0004915632 ORD 1P
  Price Change % Change Share Price Bid Price Offer Price High Price Low Price Open Price Shares Traded Last Trade
  0.70 1.09% 64.80 64.40 64.80 64.80 63.90 64.80 451,107 16:35:16
Industry Sector Turnover (m) Profit (m) EPS - Basic PE Ratio Market Cap (m)
Construction & Materials 3,328.5 5.6 -0.1 - 289

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13/10/2021
06:39
I see you and steve72 are back with your doom and gloom waldo surely by now you must realise you have no credibility on either forum I myself thought the share price was stable at around £1.20 but unfortunately the ftse100/250 had other ideas and nearly all shares across the board dropped yet you and your team jumped in with both feet proclaimed the sky above kier was falling in and started making up your own stories just like main stream media which tells me and a lot of others you have an agenda here and it certainly isn't an objective opinion as you claim if you're so confident in your opinion open a massive short today good luck longs 👍🏻
ontheforks
12/10/2021
13:31
Lol, only on Kier's unaudited babble did they say they made a profit.


The audited p&l shows a £29.7m loss.


That's another problem with Kier for years now they have been saying they are making a fortune. But the actual figures say otherwise. I loved the statements they made 12 months before the first equity issue when they said profits would double digits increase!!! Did you help them with that stuff Stdy? - sounds right up your street!!


Very peculiar, almost fraud IMO. Certainly not a investment!!

wallywoo
12/10/2021
10:58
Yeah, whatever you say wolly. Kier has net cash (ie no net debt), is leading the sector on contract wins and has increased margin progressively over the last four reporting periods and turned a profit in the last report for the first time in two years. But you think it's all terrible. Fine.
stdyeddy
12/10/2021
10:39
I agree September and October will be a massive months. September the share price fell from 130 to 120. In October the share price will fall from 120 to 105. Then comes the profit warnings!!


The trouble with Kier is there's always plenty of business but they tend to lose cash the more business they take on.


It's the under capitalised balance sheet that causes it (-£265m net tangible assets). Shame really, perhaps you should invest in a company where that doesn't happen?

wallywoo
11/10/2021
16:42
Mcalpine, sorry
bathboy2
11/10/2021
16:41
How is kier beating the likes of Balfour and mace, by being cheaper and less margin
bathboy2
11/10/2021
16:22
If today is anything to go by, it looks as though October might end up being a massive month for our favourite construction firm, as well as September:

KIER TIPPED TO LAND £50M TOTTENHAM COURT ROAD JOB
hTTps://www.building.co.uk/news/kier-tipped-to-land-50m-tottenham-court-road-job/5113992.article

Firm beats Mace and McAlpine to land mixed-use scheme

Kier is being tipped to land a £50m mixed-use scheme set to go up close to Tottenham Court Road Crossrail station in London’s West End.

The firm is understood to have beaten Mace and Sir Robert McAlpine to become preferred bidder for the two-stage tender for developer CO-RE which is masterminding the six-storey block with M&G Real Estate.

stdyeddy
11/10/2021
16:17
And the contract winning success seems set to continue with yet another framework win; Kier appointed to £1.6bn Public Buildings Framework

hTTps://specificationonline.co.uk/articles/2021-10-11/kier-group-plc/kier-appointed-to-1-6bn-public-buildings-framework

An important retention win for Kier since it has been on this very large framework previously, but also an expansion of the framework since Kier has 'Kier has been appointed to all regional areas applied for within workstream 4 - New Build, Refurbishment, and Infrastructure which span England, Scotland and Wales.'

stdyeddy
11/10/2021
16:07
Construction Enquirer has noticed our favourite construction firm's superb contract winning performance:

hTTps://www.constructionenquirer.com/2021/10/11/turned-around-kier-tops-september-contracts-league/

RE-ENERGISED KIER TOPS SEPTEMBER CONTRACTS LEAGUE
Kier has bounced back with a winning streak of contract wins after getting its finances back on track.

The firm tops September’s contracts league with a haul of 22 project wins, including the £200m Liverpool Bixteth Place office scheme for its in-house property division and a £66m project for Thames Water to modernise Mogden Sewage Treatment Works in Isleworth.

The surge of projects last month also lifted Kier from sixth to second place in the 12-month rolling league table of secured work just behind league leader Morgan Sindall.

stdyeddy
09/10/2021
08:19
Next year is going to be an odd mix, aggregates, cement, haulage, letters are out from the major players, with price increases of between 10-12%, a lot of this is due to the fact that rebated fuel (red diesel) is being taken away from the quarrying and construction industries, with the move to green fuels like HVO, and the pressure being put on by government to construction companies, that their supply chain, ie haulage, and other contractors also use, the new HVO equivalent of white diesel, currently around 10ppl pre vat dearer. This new fuel is not fully available throughout the UK at present, but by Christmas available for bulk tanks, the change from April next year will be interesting if the fuel stations drag their heals on supplying, as they will still supply white, but at a much higher cost. Car drivers beware. Trades prices currently are up from last year 50%+and higher in London. Wood prices and stocks appears to have settled and are predicted to drop 7% next year, the next elephant in the room could be interest rates set to rise, maybe not by much, but it could soften the workload, but it wouldn't be a bad thing, as it is totally crazy, at the moment, aka 2007/2008, and look what happened then, there is also a prediction that property prices could fall upto 30%, i think this is a bit extreme, but never say never, it would be interesting how the government would cover off, as spent out already. It could scupper their plans to raise corporation taxes to 25% and now the OECD of which we are a member, have fixed the minimum at 15%, it could be risky to raise too high
bathboy2
08/10/2021
22:47
A good showing last month for our favourite construction firm. According to Construction Enquirer's league table, Kier ranked first with £373m in contracts won in September.

In the rolling 12 months to September, Kier is currently second only to Morgan Sindall with just 2% in total contract values separating them (£1,507m and £1,534m respectively). Plenty of construction businesses are dealing with challenges, but Kier's scale and reputation gives the business a big advantage in a competitive environment.

Another interesting little detail; Kier Property has itself awarded an enormous number of contracts to other contractors (£200m in September alone), beating even the Dept for Education in the value of contracts. People here who listened to the end-of-year results presentation from Kier might remember an emphasis on the opportunities that Davies and Kesterton saw for profitable higher-margin projects in the Kier Property division. Prior to the sale of Kier Living and the cash-raise, one of the business's challenges had been maintaining sufficient capital for Kier Property along with the rest of the group. Now that the business has shed KL and recapitalised, it seems we might be seeing signs of the hinted at expansion in that area. I look forward to seeing a little detail on this in a few months time at HY1 (the mid-January update). With any luck, Kier Property will be adding momentum to Kier's margin growth from 3.1% towards the upper target of 3.5%.

hTTps://www.constructionenquirer.com/contract-leagues/

stdyeddy
08/10/2021
13:25
I've sold a bit over half what I had here on Wednesday, realising a 35.8% profit on that batch. Hasn't been a bad investment at all :)
I did feel a bit conflicted selling, given the value on offer here. Though I find thinking along the lines of capital allocation made the decision easier. The current collection of "crises" has me feeling much more comfortable with Kier at 4% to 5% of my portfolio.

petersw1
08/10/2021
07:28
Lol I was giving a example, not saying I was doing it. SYME is a casino stock, with very little intrinsic value, I would not touch it. You are promoting a stock that is on a year long down trend. The share price is 75 percent less than it was a year ago, but you think it is a great stock to go long on.


That is simply not true!


Go long on a up trend, short on a down trend and you will make a lot more money.

In the meantime, Kier's share price hits lower Low's nearly every day now - not a good sign!!

wallywoo
07/10/2021
17:37
You cannot short syme. If you can tell me on which platform?

No apology and no Cred.

sparty1
07/10/2021
12:54
Nothing wrong with going short, SYME for example have been on a down trend for a year moving from 0.8p to 0.2p in that time. Sure the share price has bounced a fair bit, but it would of been a lot easier to make money being short than long. I believe that trend is a long way from finished.Kier's share price is distorted by the equity issue, as it was in 2019. When you issue 454 percent more shares in 3 years the trend is not as obvious. But the company has not turned around IMO. I don't think it will. It will either become a dull share moving very little (between 80-100 most likely IMO), or will tank again. Either way not a good investment.
wallywoo
07/10/2021
10:14
Sparty, SYME was your hot tip at 36p, now you say you traded it down? A £550k turnover company with a £60m valuation, it's like a return to the dot com bubble (we all know what happened there).


The trouble I have with you Sparty is all the stocks you talk about are desperate for some investor confidence. What's wrong with having a stock that has a good reputation, low valuation not massively high??


It's almost as though you are paid to promote the stocks that are really poorly liked and hyped on the market!! In my experience they are disliked for a reason.


Kier is very expensive with everything to prove and a terrible balance sheet and pension fund that's much too large for the business. 100p by Xmas, then I expect the trading update to disappoint.

wallywoo
07/10/2021
09:12
Good point stutes, normally it is America, that causes slowdowns/recession, but this time with the evergrande fantasia mess it could be China, the Chinese government are not looking to step in, and it is a massive 300bn black hole, the danger of easy cheap money,
bathboy2
06/10/2021
12:46
hxxps://www.constructionenquirer.com/2021/10/06/jittery-clients-put-brake-on-projects-as-subbie-rates-soar/

I pose questions to encourage discussion. However, without HMG/BoE support construction orders could fall. There is also the possibility of margin squeeze through shortages.

The fallout from Evergrande, Fantasia could lead to key London developments funded by Chinese developers being offloaded at a discount leaving developers hesitant in commission new commercial/residential developments.

stutes
06/10/2021
12:02
Hey Sparty, how's your investment in SYME? Got any other amazing tips? - I could do with a laugh!! We had johnbuythelosers on here 1/2 weeks ago who tipped SNT at 34p (now 22!!!!). You Kier bulls have incredible skills at picking loser's.


I would be very busy on here if I only came on when the share price was dipping. It's been doing that for a few months now.


Don't own Cost, but it does demonstrate how bad Kier is. Cost has tangible net assets of around +£140m, while Kier have -£265m.


That in a nutshell is why I dislike this share so much, any cash generated is immediately paid out to the owners of that debt through one means or other. Really poorly capitalised, and IMO still likely to lose cash for that reason. If Costain can't pay a dividend, Kier have no chance.

wallywoo
06/10/2021
11:35
Wally you only pop up here when the shareprice dips.There has been a bit of a correction across the markets. Wishing Kier would go bust will not make it happen.
If there is a reason it would be the government showing signs of reigning in their infra spending plans a bit plus supply chain issues.The latter will be a temporary setback.
Your predictions never came true, nor will they.
Look at COST! back down to 55p..

sparty1
06/10/2021
10:49
Since July to now the ftse has fluctuated between 6900 and 7200 (now roughly 6960), moving up and down 2/3 times. Kier's share price in that time has gone from 134 to 114, on a single down trend.Recently volume has increased massively, as has the speed of decline.All points to my hypothesis that the equity issue honeymoon period is over and the share price will continue to fall
wallywoo
06/10/2021
10:29
You do care because you made your comment.

It's free country so I'll make my comments regardless of yours and you have a right of reply but no bullying.

stutes
06/10/2021
10:23
All markets, european indices, dow under 34000, are down and construction PMI is down. Not just Kier.
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