Kier Share Discussion Threads

[zicopele] 20/6/2021 18:44

Hey steddy...how many people have you disappointed? Telling us at 150p that we would soon see £4 was not a winning forecast.

Not sure what your view was on the requirement of the emergency fund raise. I think you doubted if it would be necessary. Good to see that Wally called you out on the £4 forecast.

Anyway the bad news will continue with materials prices rocketing.

[stdyeddy] 20/6/2021 14:36

Hey sicko, your friend claymag doesn't post here anymore. I suspect it's because he is unhappy that you and wolly managed to persuade him to sell half his Kier shares at 83p (before it rebased, so his equivalent price today would be about 134p). You cost him a lot of money and put him off this thread. How do you feel about that sicko?

[stdyeddy] 20/6/2021 14:14

Good news sicko; votes for the advfn PRAT OF THE YEAR awards are in, and you're in first place!! Watch out though; wolly is right behind you with his own little election. 😂🤣😂

[zicopele] 20/6/2021 14:08

Steddy suggesting two years ago that we would soon hit £4 must be one of the worst Kier forecasts.

Well done wally for bringing this to our attention. It is definitely something Steddy wants forgotton.

[stdyeddy] 20/6/2021 13:34

And in case anyone is any doubt over your ability to predict anything, don't forget that you said the share price would never hit £1, Kier Living would never be sold, Kier would never be able to raise cash from shareholders and on and on.... You have not got one prediction right. Give up wolly; you have been soundly beaten here. Kier is on the up and will not be stopped now.

[stdyeddy] 20/6/2021 13:29

Also, the 'laws of supply and demand' will be supporting this shareprice in a big way. This is how it will run; full-year update on 13th July (just three weeks away) will show a much larger net profit and very low avg debt compared to H1, particularly through the reduced cost of covid compliance (Davies has said that the investment in covid-safety happened last year and there will be limited impact in future). The market will recognise that Kier now has unstoppable momentum and the share price will rise very significantly (probably £2 plus).

Then the index followers will realise that Kier is an automatic entry for the next ftse250 reshuffle and there will be more strong buying. Then in September Kier will re-enter the FTSE250 and all the index funds will be compelled to buy Kier and there will be more strong buying. Mid-January the H1 update will confirm the business's new profit discipline and the shareprice will hit £4.

[stdyeddy] 20/6/2021 13:28

wolly, your lies won't work on this shareprice. You have lost bigtime chum. £3 will come much sooner than you think. Btw, Kier didn't 'lose' cash. Davies spent it restructuring the business, making redundancies and writing down assets. You know this and have been told hundreds of times, but you continue to misrepresent the business situation. You're fooling no one.

Davies has said that the restructuring is over and he has laid out a path to dividends, even giving profit and margin forecasts. He has been a very cautious ceo so I've every reason to feel confident that Kier will achieve the goals Davies has set out. Btw, that includes paying out one third of profits in dividends -- he said so explicitly in the prospectus documents.

[sparty1] 20/6/2021 12:44

Zero , has somewhere a twin laying the village idiot! Only room for one clearly that's why he is filtered
Fenn cannot read..clearly an idiot. No losses for me.

[wallywoo] 20/6/2021 12:43

Lol £4 is coming!!! What absolute rubbish. Kier has;


1) just issued 175 percent more shares. The laws of demand and supply dictates that the share price will be under pressure for the short term at least.


2)Kier lost £43m in cash in H1, and has lost cash for 5 years before that. They will certainly have lost cash in H2 when the results come out in September.


3) what happens for the next financial year won't be known for 10 months. The share price will certainly be under pressure until then. It's my hypothesis that Kier still have too little tangible net assets (-£300m) to enable them to generate any cash. Inflation and materials shortages will likely add to their problems.

[zicopele] 19/6/2021 17:15

Steddy....please stop these cut and paste glurges.

Well done Wally for showing Steddy as the charlatan he is.Steddy predicting £4 two years ago is quite hilarious.

Since then we have had an emergency equity raise, delayed tax payments still unpaid and major problems looming with high materials prices.

On the last point, check out prices yourself by just going to your local builders merchant and askiing one of the guys about the price increasee in all construction materials.

They have rocketed in the last six months....that is if you can get them. Price increases and availability of materials are hitting all contractors hard.

[bspgamer] 19/6/2021 16:46

https://www.youtube.com/embed/3ZWrxyzxVJY

[wallywoo] 19/6/2021 15:59

Let's take a little trip down memory lane, stdy. 2 years ago with Kier's share price at 135. This is what you said then;


"stdyeddy - 17 Sep 2019 - 13:28:47 - 8511 of 22202Share with an uptrend; welcome to kier. From £10 to 58p, and now a reversal fully underway, from 58p to £1.35 and, I predict back to £4 in short order.

And I see that you have plenty of other mistakes under your belt. Pointless talk wally; let's see what you've got to say on Thursday when instead of mindless deramping and personal attacks, you're trying to dismiss real numbers and hard facts again.

stdyeddy - 16 Sep 2019 - 14:09:43 - 8442 of 22204
Itchyone, kier will hit £3 and rejoin the ftse 250 in December. Then you'll have all the institutional buying which I know you desire for kier


When you were sooo wrong then, why should anyone listen to you now??? This will be 85 in weeks, and will struggle to hold that level for several months, by which time it will be obvious they still can't generate any cash.

[stdyeddy] 19/6/2021 14:43

This BB is crawling with you wollywoo. Not short and not long. What are you doing here? The longs here have been making money for eight months. You are a such a berk. It's you who has got all of your 'expert' predictions wrong and you've had to confess to lying to everyone here for months (possibly years) about your 'short' position which you kept adding to from 50p in October until you were totally embarrassed when the share price hit 120p. You'll still be here lying your pants off when the share price hits £3. A ridiculous obsession you've got, and considering your age, probably some kind of mental health condition.

Kier has very little debt now, compared to almost every other business on the stock market, some of them with billions in debt such as large retail, airlines, oil cos, almost every sector. Kier is a market leader with 'permission' to grow its margins because the sector does not want another failure. Kier now has plenty of cash and a responsible management team. Mid-July for the full year trading results. People who've sold 110/120 will kick themselves when they see this at 300p.

There is no way that this will not hit £2 now by mid-July. After that it'll be an automatic entry to rejoin the FTSE250. Index followers will pile in towards the end of August. All of the index funds will be compelled to buy Kier in early September and the share price will fly to £3 if it isn't already there, and well beyond if it is.

You wolly and you zicko, prattling on with your lies and sh1t-talking are the biggest couple of clowns on this board. A couple of stupid old men who have the weirdest way of passing the time -- spewing rubbish onto this board. Karma will see the pair of you reap what you sow. Meanwhile a hard core of Kier investors are going to ride this wave to January and maybe beyond. Hamham put it well a few weeks back -- opportunities like this come round maybe once every 7-10 years. We are invested in the sector's market leader, with almost no debt, a huge order book and a government sponsored economic revival for levelling up the UK. The forward p/e for Kier is about 3. Just 3. For a business forecast to make £140m to £157m annually and committed to paying out a third of it in dividends. No other construction firm will be able to touch this share price for profit over the next year.

[wallywoo] 19/6/2021 11:57

The only reason Kier are still here is because they have issued 484 percent more shares in 2.5 years.


Companies with low profit margins and poor cash generation that do that, don't have a share price that grows. It will be under pressure for at least the next year. What happens then depends on whether they are still losing cash. I firmly believe that they still will be, because they still have (£-300m) net tangible assets, which is not enough to survive in this sector. They are numerous examples of this, the most similar to Kier at this stage would be Jarvis, who took over 8 years to go bust with 2 equity issues, a debt for equity, then bust. 1000's of BB posters thought they would recover. Never did.


This BB is crawling with posters who post no where else and apparently think Kier will make you rich. They ignore all the common sense posts, and keep saying that Kier will be much higher. Let history be your friend and ignore Kier shares.

[zicopele] 19/6/2021 11:28

Contractors are getting creamed on materials prices increases at present. This will hit profits hard. expect mention of increases in any trading update.

Kier will ratchet down to 85p by the end of July.

[ontheforks] 19/6/2021 09:33

Funny thing though wally kier are still here even though you've been saying there doomed doomed I tell ya... Explain to all of us how you opened all those shorts and lost no money then we might take your financial advice a bit more seriously.. Oh and ask zico to answer same question as he can't seem to answer when asked thanks 👍🏻

[wallywoo] 19/6/2021 08:58

Ha Ha, what a loser you are, johnbuythelosers!!!!


You ramp a share for 2 years and over that time;


1) the share price is still the same


2) it has paid no dividends


3) and you are forced to pay them a load of money so not to get diluted


You do understand that the point of a investment is to generate a return??? Kier have yet to generate any cash for 5 years, they just spend shareholders cash. And you spend all day every day telling shareholders they will be rich holding this rubbish.

[dasty1] 18/6/2021 20:35

Appears no coincidence that shortly after the major brokers (eg HL) credited accounts at around 3 or 3.30 or so, that a sudden flurry of sells happened driving down the price. That may well repeat for the first couple of hours on Monday as the sell for a quick profit at any price continue. But it won't last. By end of next week, profit takers gone, it'll be back to 120p. By mid July, if update only ok rather than startling, I'm pretty confident of 140p.

[ontheforks] 18/6/2021 17:11

Zico how's your short going you been paid yet ❓❓