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[brucie5] 19/11/2018 20:31

The Tory brexiteers can't even muster the 48 needed for a no confidence vote, lol. CBI, and practically every serious business CEO evidently terrified of the bonkers preference for a hard brexit, which tells you all you need to know about the economic nous of this lunatic fringe of shysters, naifs and ideologues. While UK business wasting millions to prepare themselves, just in case the likes of Rees Mogg, who's squirrelling away his own investment s offshore, just might get their way.
In the meantime, Aaron Banks under investigation for taking Russian money.

Come on guys, the game's up.

[mroalan] 19/11/2018 16:38

UK national debt as a % of GDP

[alphorn] 19/11/2018 13:32

mro - not for EU residents - all UK banks, including IofM, Jersey etc are already interchanging tax information. Post Brexit that will change.


edit: for the techies there were two waves of implementation - the last lot mid-year this year.
edit 2: same goes for property holdings which is causing some upsets for undisclosed property.

[mroalan] 19/11/2018 13:26

Alp "UK will be off-shore." for me that is already the case as discussed above,the uk has always been a tax haven and there is no will to change it.

[alphorn] 19/11/2018 13:21

Maybe not mro. Today I received my first statement from my French bank that they have forwarded to the Swiss tax office. Very comprehensive and the first of the these automatic interchange statements that I have seen. Out the EU the UK will be off-shore.

[mroalan] 19/11/2018 13:15

Alp. i agree with you but leaving the EU will make very little difference to the practice,perhaps it will curtail certain elements for awhile before catch up, again allowed by government/hmrc, having had a five year investigation by hmrc as a little man i found they were as thick as mince.

[alphorn] 19/11/2018 12:31

mro - tax avoidance (for some foreigners probably evasion) is a UK national pastime with its laundromat capital and island networks. It is the only REAL reason that I can think of for leaving EU controls. Think about it. We are little ants running around while the 'powers' press on.

[mroalan] 19/11/2018 12:21

i thought HMRC were complicit with tax evasion as are the government,but for the right people obviously.

[alphorn] 19/11/2018 12:03

How can you say it was tax evasion? HMRC are not thick if it was. As I have said don't get the various tax schemes mixed up.

[mount teide] 19/11/2018 11:39

Alphorn - stating facts - something the nauseatingly hypocritical "Facts are Sacred" Guardian does not like at all when it exposes their own sanctimony.

Why do online posts on the Guardian website mentioning their £360m Autotrader tax evasion scam get immediately removed by their moderators and the accounts pre-moderated? Along with the sinister threat of account revocation should any attempt be made to post further facts on the subject.

[grannyboy] 19/11/2018 11:34

Yes MT, look at the money the BBC hand over to the guardian...£139,000 a year buying that rag..

[alphorn] 19/11/2018 11:21

MT - I don't know what taxes JRM pays. Funds can be held in multi-currencies in London so why move them off-shore? I noted his move. There are plenty of tax planners in multi nationals - negligent if not. Don't mix tax planning, minimalization, avoidance and evasion.

I posted a few days ago (to you) about some of the non-commercial global organisations. I also said that it touches my nerves. Don't argue with somebody who agrees much on this subject. I will not post any details on a public bb.

[mount teide] 19/11/2018 11:15

Alporn - you haven't answered why you overtly castigated Rees Mogg who's Funds pay FULL UK corporation tax while ignoring self righteous, nauseatingly hypocritical tax evaders like the Guardian and hundreds of Multi Nationals who pay next to nothing, preferring to offshore their UK generated profits to low tax regimes?

[grannyboy] 19/11/2018 11:10

Thats one of the reasons for the anti brexit stance at the Brussels Broadcasting Concession...A large majority of bbc staff are ex guardian journalist !!!

[alphorn] 19/11/2018 10:59

MT - I had added a smiley you will notice. Some truth though.

Please don't be one of these people who start talking about tax. Transfer pricing, IP ownership and international tax is an area that I know something about. That will not go away with any exit of any sort. There is more garbage on this subject in the media than would fill a dump.

[mount teide] 19/11/2018 10:42

Alphorn - I take it you're aware the Guardian off-shored the entire £360m profit it made on the sale of its Autotrader business, refusing to pay a penny in tax on the proceeds of the sale of a business that generated all its value from sales generated in the UK from UK taxpayers?

No one does hypocrisy better than the Guardian, its journalists, readers and most remainers - who routinely become hugely embittered whenever democracy fails to agree with their point of view.

[mount teide] 19/11/2018 10:12

Alphorn - Farage has more integrity in his little finger than most of the House and Commons and Lords put together.

For 43 years the two main political parties moved heaven and earth to prevent the UK electorate from having a say on the continued of transfer of their sovereign powers to unelected bureaucrats in another country - something they were told when joining the EEC would never happen.

But for Nigel Farage and Youtube the UK electorate would still be waiting to have their say - Why? Because the UK establishment and political class knew what the answer would be if the UK electorate were ever given a say in the matter.

The 17.4 million who voted for Brexit would likely say Farage has earned every penny of his EU pension - unlike the overwhelming majority of the 1 million euro per five year fraudsters and con artists like Guy "four jobs" Verhofstadt who frequent the place.

If you did sone research worthy of the name you'll find Mogg's Funds pay full UK corporation tax unlike the 600 plus Multi Nationals headquartered in Luxembourg and Ireland who pay circa 1% corporation tax on 99% of their UK generated sales while having 30,000 highly paid lobbyists based in Brussels barking out their demands to EU officials over Michelin star restaurant lunches and, hundreds of thousands of minimum wage employees recruited from Eastern Europe ALL massively subsidised by the UK taxpayer.

[alphorn] 19/11/2018 09:37

'Do as I say not as I do'! That prize goes to the Farage family with their new passports and the Mogg for his investment strategy. ;)

[mount teide] 19/11/2018 09:34

Brucie - 'I would just urge you to watch how language leads others on to do things that you would no doubt decry, particularly when you talk of 'treason'.'

Yet more breathtaking hypocrisy and patronising nonsense from Brexit's Nobel prize winner for 'Do as I say not as I do'!

[brucie5] 19/11/2018 09:20

She's a woman haven't you noticed.
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Yes I had noticed. That's why I pointed it out. And our first MP to have been publically murdered in recent time was also a woman. Jo Cox. Who was the fantasist there, and what sort of ideas was he fantasising about? And with what sort of language to justify it?

I would just urge you to watch how language leads others on to do things that you would no doubt decry, particularly when you talk of 'treason'.


Aside from that, I'm sure you mean no harm by it.

[zho] 19/11/2018 09:18

The Daily Mail?

[fireplace22] 19/11/2018 09:14

She's a woman haven't you noticed. If it was a man I'd have put the man is a fantasist.
Where did I read this morning that the London ambulance service don't wish you to refer to patients as MR or Mrs as it upsets the transgender lobby.

[brucie5] 19/11/2018 09:04

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May is a fantasist, if I were her family I'd be concerned for her mental health now. To actually believe this agreement can go the distance in face of the opposition from all sides is delusional, that fact that her presence is preventing either modification of the agreement or the discussion of alternatives must be close to treasonable. Admittedly removing the PM will cause more upheaval but the woman is a danger to herself and the country.
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'The woman'. Oddly misogynistic turn of phrase. Do you mean 'she', or 'the PM'?

As for 'Fantasist': this has got to be ironic, hasn't it? Coming from a Brexiteer with no plan for an exit, and no representative capable of making and carrying the case?

The tide is turning - and not in your direction. I guess we need to prepare ourselves for a ratcheting up of language that increasingly betrays the core values of those that use it.