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HARL Harland & Wolff Group Holdings Plc

10.00
0.25 (2.56%)
24 May 2024 - Closed
Delayed by 15 minutes
Share Name Share Symbol Market Type Share ISIN Share Description
Harland & Wolff Group Holdings Plc LSE:HARL London Ordinary Share GB00BLPJ1272 ORD 1P
  Price Change % Change Share Price Bid Price Offer Price High Price Low Price Open Price Shares Traded Last Trade
  0.25 2.56% 10.00 9.50 10.50 10.25 9.75 9.75 1,352,730 16:21:57
Industry Sector Turnover Profit EPS - Basic PE Ratio Market Cap
Natural Gas Transmis & Distr 27.97M -70.36M -0.4066 -0.25 17.3M
Harland & Wolff Group Holdings Plc is listed in the Natural Gas Transmis & Distr sector of the London Stock Exchange with ticker HARL. The last closing price for Harland & Wolff was 9.75p. Over the last year, Harland & Wolff shares have traded in a share price range of 8.10p to 19.00p.

Harland & Wolff currently has 173,047,211 shares in issue. The market capitalisation of Harland & Wolff is £17.30 million. Harland & Wolff has a price to earnings ratio (PE ratio) of -0.25.

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DateSubjectAuthorDiscuss
23/5/2024
08:44
Labour will also say "no" because they are not in the business of bailing out billionaires who own Riverstone. They may say yes to a plan which first swaps the Riverstone debt to equity but then equity is toast anyway.

But setting all that aside - HARL have 1500 staff to pay for another 3-6 months while we elect a new set of idiots and they all then need a month or two to get their feet under the table. So no doubt HARL will run out of money by then and so somthing will need to get done first.

loglorry1
22/5/2024
19:42
Agree there will be no decision now, looking forward to Kevan Jones being new Secretary of State for Defence. JW & 'LinkedIn Arun' need to look for a Plan B.
john mcinnes wood
22/5/2024
15:59
It will never get agreed (or blocked) with a General Election on the horizon... which means from a very simple perspective, HARL won't get support this side of the Election and will have to keep rolling its existing Debts forward with its existing Lender(s) (or equally expensive alternatives) until a 'revitalised' Government is in place... which might still say "NO" depending on which Party(s) end up in 'Power'
supearich
22/5/2024
14:24
This UKEF deal has been dragging on since last December and beyond.
Would suggest that the issues are fundamental ones and not straightforward? Otherwise, they could give "agreement in principle" while working through the detail.

tiredhands
22/5/2024
13:51
Why did Richie dodge the question on the ukef guarantee at pmq's ?
terminator101
18/5/2024
08:11
fall into liquidation. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c72p081lwpvo.amp
blackhorse23
17/5/2024
17:29
https://www.accountancyage.com/2015/05/19/ship-renovator-jailed-following-1-7m-vat-fraud/?amp=1What was honest Johns role in this?
terminator101
17/5/2024
11:14
The seniors board today awash with Kevin Jones and letters to The Standards Commissioner , good luck with that but he hasn’t actually done anything illegal. Some should stick to writing the Hansard minutes because their shipbuilding knowledge is zilch
datos
17/5/2024
10:36
What's lazy about it? I assume you mean they are lazy because you don't agree with what they are telling you and it's not what John Wood has told you?
loglorry1
17/5/2024
08:37
Looks as though the lazy journalism has stuck and starting to look like 'no smoke without fire'
oakville
17/5/2024
08:31
So if there are other willing, well capitalised contractors willing to build the ships in Belfast why doesn't the Gov just use them rather than risk £200m of tax payers money?

The bulls will say that they don't own the Belfast docks required.

Problem is that Riverstone effectively own the docks because HARL can't repay them so they can just sell them or lease them to whoever wants the contract.

loglorry1
16/5/2024
12:43
"Well Loggers and Jakoff you gonna look a right pair of Deramping Doughnuts if the government does indeed allow the loan guarantee."

Well if that happens then - I'll certainly admit I'm wrong. I don't think that scenario is impossible but I give it a very low %.

If they do bail out the shareholders, and Riverstone by backing a loan then the doors of Whitehall will be besieged by others looking for cheap loans for their failed indebted companies.

loglorry1
16/5/2024
12:41
"Yes, I would propose that the government then pumps in fresh equity. Do you have a different proposal?"

I just don't think modern governments like owning small engineering companies. Big nationalisations sometimes happen when in the public interest e.g. to keep water flowing into peoples sinks or banks able to lend but otherwise I'm not so sure.

A private market solution is possible. Someone would buy them for £1 if the debt was all written off for example especially if at that point the Gov was happy to back the loans associated only with the battleship work.

There's a deal to be done but it involved Riverstone taking a hit and someone new owning it. Obviously current equity gets wiped out.

loglorry1
16/5/2024
11:56
John Henry,

You should ask around, there are people here, on ADVFN, that have been in the room at the same time as both of us.

And FWIW, I will be in these rooms for Wed and Thu next week:



Feel free to come and find me in the bar, I will happily buy you a pint to drown your sorrows.

JakNife

jaknife
16/5/2024
11:50
Well Loggers and Jakoff you gonna look a right pair of Deramping Doughnuts if the government does indeed allow the loan guarantee.
Or should i say Doughnut as every man and his Dog know you are in fact the same poster under a different a guise. It is really quite pathetic.

john henry
16/5/2024
11:20
loglorry1,

"The big problem with that JN is they need new money. They have a massive payroll of 1500 people and if it were nationalised that would then need to be funded by the state. I doubt the Gov would want to take on all that hassle."

Yes, I would propose that the government then pumps in fresh equity. Do you have a different proposal?

You have a quandary, how to keep the yards open, the jobs protected and ensure that the building of the FSS vessels happens. Someone has to inject some cash but the current balance sheet is hopeless. What do you propose as a solution?

JakNife

jaknife
16/5/2024
11:05
What in the missing payroll payments is going on here today?
mikeh30
16/5/2024
10:50
The big problem with that JN is they need new money. They have a massive payroll of 1500 people and if it were nationalised that would then need to be funded by the state. I doubt the Gov would want to take on all that hassle.
loglorry1
16/5/2024
10:40
If I were the UK government I would nationalise the ship yards.

If they were to pay a fair price to HARL then they should pay about £25m, which is about the total value of the fixed assets. That is materially south of the total debt (about $100m but probably more with interest) and hence the debt providers are going to lose about 70%. Shareholders would get zero.

Given that the sale would leave HARL insolvent then they would need to so something like a pre-pack administration.

JakNife

jaknife
16/5/2024
10:09
It really does look on the brink of bankruptcy. The FT article today suggest they are not going to make payroll.
loglorry1
16/5/2024
10:03
loglorry1,

If you look at the last annual report, which was to 31 Dec 2022:



then note 14 tells you (page 77) that:

"Revaluation
The fair value of the group’s Land and buildings was revalued on 30 June 2019 by Hilco."

So there's no "hidden value", ie the assets are already on the balance sheet at an amount close to their fair value.

JakNife

jaknife
16/5/2024
09:52
There seems to be some misinformation about HARL having strong tangible assets in the form of shipyards which exceed their level of debt/liabilities.

At the half year to 30 June 2023 (latest accounts). Property plant and equipment on the balance sheet was £26,670,074. As a reminder they own Riverstone c$115m.

It's not like there's any better news in current assets/liabilities. Total current assets are £24.8m vs current liabilities of £142.1m. The Riverstone loan is current but even stripping that out they have payables of £43.8m.

hxxps://www.harland-wolff.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Half-year-Report.pdf

loglorry1
16/5/2024
02:23
https://www.ft.com/content/eb6aec9c-a8e1-43a0-b289-4e7413ea5ddc
blackhorse23
16/5/2024
02:23
Loss 70m & revenues 27m
blackhorse23
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