Ceres Power Share Discussion Threads

[book5] 14/9/2023 13:57

breaking above EMA200 with strength

[book5] 12/9/2023 08:55

pr4w2b0y

thanks for sharing
wow, our electricity grid cant cope!!
we are in bad shape

i reckon we will need lots of electrical engineers and investment

next years could be very interesting for cwr
gla

[pr4w2b0y] 10/9/2023 16:59

Energy Transitions Podcast: The green promise of next-gen fuel cells - Caroline Hargrove CTO

[avc0nway] 07/9/2023 14:12

Post 1807,
Many thanks. your quick response is much appreciated.
avc

[skinny] 07/9/2023 13:41

free stock charts from uk.advfn.com

[avc0nway] 07/9/2023 13:39

Question:-
How does an EMA differ from a Simple Moving Average?
Thanks,
avc
(I use SMAs)

[book5] 07/9/2023 12:17

EMA 200 within reach at any time

[pj84] 05/9/2023 19:21

Possibly another building block in the hydrogen economy becoming a reality.



Hydrogen pick-up for Toyota plant

British factory closes in on making green Hilux
Robert Lea, Industrial Editor

Tuesday September 05 2023, 12.01am, The Times

A prototype of the future? A hydrogen-powered Toyota Hilux at the company’s Burnaston factory in Derbyshire

The likelihood of Toyota building a hydrogen version of its bestselling Hilux pick-up truck in Britain has taken a big step forward after the Japanese motor group’s factory in Derbyshire said it had completed the assembly of ten fuel-cell prototype vehicles.

From the end of this year, the zero-emission prototypes will go out for testing to Hilux fleet customers such as utilities companies and large industrial concerns that may include the JCB diggers group — with a view to making a decision in late 2024 on whether the hydrogen Hilux goes into mass production.

Senior Toyota executives won’t say whether the company’s Burnaston plant near Derby, which produces about 125,000 hybrid Corolla passenger cars a year, will make the hydrogen Hilux. However, the stars look increasingly aligned. It would be a huge boost for the UK automotive industry, which has struggled to keep pace with the decarbonisation agenda and win investment for battery electric vehicles.

Hydrogen is seen as a much better zero-emission alternative to battery electric for heavy-duty, high-payload vehicles such as pick-up trucks, as well as lorries and buses.

Existing Hilux vehicles on sale in Europe are made in South Africa. But Britain is the largest market for the Hilux in Europe and it is Britain’s bestselling pick-up truck ahead of rivals made by Nissan and Mitsubishi.

[book5] 04/9/2023 12:56

"Renewable liquid heating fuels": i.e vegetable oils?

[gnnmartin] 04/9/2023 12:20

I said I wouldn't post more on this: I was wrong!

In the Sept 2 FT, there is a report;

Ministers are drawing up plans to help UK households with oil boilers to switch to cheaper green energy options without having to install expensive heat pumps.

The government is proposing to force energy suppliers to expand the provision of renewable liquid heating fuels so households can convert their oil boilers to run on the products.

Ministers have caved in to pressure from Conservative MPs after George Eustice, a former environment secretary, warned rural communities would be hit hard financially by its proposed ban on the installation of new oil boilers from 2026.

Conversion from a gas boiler to heat pump is just as costly, and probably less satisfactory, since those with oil boilers tend to have the land that can support a heat pump. But the oil boiler users are more likely to be rural and conservative, whereas the gas boiler users will be town and labour.

[skinny] 04/9/2023 10:23

And perhaps a few snippets before...

[1teepee] 04/9/2023 09:42

With news of the threesome one hopes

[skinny] 04/9/2023 07:01

Horsham, UK: Ceres Power Holdings plc ("Ceres", the "Company"), a global leader in fuel cell and electrochemical technology, will publish its interim results for the six months ending 30 June 2023 on Thursday, 28 September 2023.

The management team will be hosting a live webcast for analysts and investors on 28 September 2023 at 09.30 BST. To register your interest in participating, please go to: .

Ends

[book5] 01/9/2023 14:15

Pierre, gnnmartin
Informative posts, thanks

[gnnmartin] 01/9/2023 11:50

CWR installed fuel cells in some employees houses to test the idea of using the fuel cell to generate the electricity used by the household and use the waste heat to heat the house. I asked a couple of years ago what the result had been, and was told that the electricity demand by the household was too small in relation to the heating requirement. That obviously changes if the electricity demand rises because it is used to drive a heat pump or for direct space heating.

The strongest argument for hydrogen distribution is the existing infrastructure. Transition to zero carbon is less expensive and has fewer unknowns if hydrogen is used for some energy distribution. We need to investigate all technologies.

We incentivised the fitting of solar panels to existing houses, but did nothing to ensure that new build have and can make use of solar panels, and nothing to research how solar panels can form part of the roof instead of being an add on that adds expense to any future maintenance. And when the Peabody charity built Zedbed (a zero energy housing project completed in 2002) they were censured on the grounds that research was not compatible with their charitable foundation.

PS. this rant is getting a bit divorced from Ceres, so I won't post any more!

[pierre oreilly] 01/9/2023 09:55

Not sure if you're talking about home boiler replacement or not, but cwr were working on a hybridish fuel cell which produced electricity (obviously) and the same or similarish amount of heat, as a biproduct, powered from the mains gas. They simply capture that heat and use that for something like heating the hot water tank. Makes the system almost 100% efficient with zero emissions, except water. Was small scale, say 2kW electricity and 2kWish of heat. That was a few years ago, not sure if it came to anything or whether they are still working on it.

They are in the 250 today (I think), was expecting some buying due to that - in fact there must be some buying due to that, maybe in the next few days.

[book5] 31/8/2023 17:34

People are getting to know about the options
Read gnnmartin. Imho he explains better the alternative of a fuel cell to convert gases into electricity:


“Distribution of power by gas is well developed, and sudden drop or rise in demand are both less likely and more controllable. And heat pumps are unsuitable for a large proportion of houses. In many or most cases, the best distribution of power to domestic consumers would be by gas, with a fuel cell in the house to generate the electricity needed, including running the heat pump where a heat pump is practical.”


Question: Is it feasible to install a power cell in our house and run it with natural gas or a mixture of hydrogen and gas? Do they work at a temperature too high to install them in a domestic environment safely?

I only know of boilers that can burn a mixture of hydrogen and natural gas. I assumed the professor was referring to those.

[brucie5] 31/8/2023 17:07

book531 Aug '23 - 15:36 - 1789 of 1792
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Imho:
-CWR is not in the business of heating houses by burning hydrogen.
-A boiler burning hydrogen does not use cwr’s technology.

Currently Cwr’s business is to produce electricity from hydrogen or natural gas.

The professor said that burning green hydrogen to heat houses does not make sense. He never said that hydrogen is not viable to store energy, did he?
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book531, I think I understand that, untechnical as I am. CWR's fuel cells convert the hydrogen to electricity, so the boiler is electric, no? But I don't think fuel cells per se were mentioned at all, which was to mislead by omission. I'll need to listen again to it before I say any more!

[gnnmartin] 31/8/2023 16:39

People, even 'experts' greatly underestimate the difficulty and cost of upgrading the electrical distribution network, and the public resistance to the infrastructure and the losses to be expected from matching variable supply to variable demand. And they overestimate the difficulty of distributing gas.

The time quoted for connecting to the grid is quoted in years, up to 10 years for would be large scale users or for green generators hoping to feed into the grid. And there are already local protests against the erection of electricity pylons. Plus matching supply and demand when (for example) a Tesla fast charge takes a few hundred Kw for a few minutes will require a lot of buffering. It is not just green electricity to battery to user, there will be at least 2, possibly 4 or 5 or more electricity to battery and back between green source and user.

Distribution of power by gas is well developed, and sudden drop or rise in demand are both less likely and more controllable. And heat pumps are unsuitable for a large proportion of houses. In many or most cases, the best distribution of power to domestic consumers would be by gas, with a fuel cell in the house to generate the electricity needed, including running the heat pump where a heat pump is practical.

[gnnmartin] 31/8/2023 16:17

Roger (post 1777): Hear hear!

[book5] 31/8/2023 16:16

Once we store green hydrogen, we do not burn it, we use cwr’s technology to produce electricity.