Ceres Power Share Discussion Threads

[chessman2] 18/7/2023 16:12

Yes, CWR has much to commend it and should continue to reach 4 figures.

Even after the recent rise the CWR share price is worth a lot more and should continue to head northwards.

[book5] 18/7/2023 14:09

LOL
or go up to £13 for the same reasons

[seball] 17/7/2023 14:03

Looks like this could go back down to 275...Then ride back upto 200 dma. I will maybe look to trade a few this time if we go back down.

[srichardson8] 17/7/2023 12:50

a decent summary of current thinking and developments of hydrogen power in the NY Times
'The old debate about whether electric cars should be powered by batteries, Tesla-style, or with hydrogen fuel cells, such as the Toyota Mirai, appears to have been won hands-down by batteries in recent years. So why are companies still investing in hydrogen cars?
The facetious answer is that they may be designed to convey political messages more than actual passengers. The serious one is that there are still plenty of doubts about battery EVs as a universal solution for decarbonizing road transport.
British petrochemical giant Ineos Group is the latest company to reveal a fuel cell EV. The automotive division of Jim Ratcliffe’s privately-owned group on Thursday presented an adapted version of its Grenadier off-roader, itself a new take on the old Land Rover Defender, at the Goodwood Festival of Speed in the English countryside.
The hydrogen-powered Grenadier is just a proof of concept: Ineos is years away from committing to mass-producing a fuel cell EV. Still, why is a startup such as Ineos Automotive, which was founded in 2017, bothering with hydrogen at all when sales of EVs driven by batteries are so much stronger?
Ineos hopes to launch a battery EV in 2026 that it envisages being used in urban and everyday settings. But it also wants a low-carbon way to deliver the same kind of extreme off-road capability and long range its customers might expect from its gas-guzzling Grenadier. This is where hydrogen excels.
“I don’t think one technology is superior to the other. I think they’ve got different uses. And I think we need a mix of technologies in the future,” says Lynn Calder, chief executive officer of Ineos Automotive.
This is a variant of what has become a consensus view: That fuel cell EVs, which are more energy-dense, are needed for long-distance trucking, buses and the odd niche light-vehicle application, while battery EVs, which are more energy-efficient, are the better solution for decarbonizing your typical family car.
Even companies that have spent decades working on fuel cell cars stress the technology’s heavier-duty applications these days. At a technology briefing last month, Toyota said it had 100,000 potential fuel-cell orders from third parties, most of them for commercial vehicles. Honda and Hyundai, the other champions of hydrogen cars historically, talk of selling their systems to manufacturers of trains, ships and construction machinery, among others.
But behind the consensus linger questions, too, about battery technology—notably how fast it can realistically take over the family-car market. One well-documented worry focuses on limited supplies of battery metals such as lithium, and another concerns the impact of battery EV charging on the power grid. Hydrogen EVs, with their completely different supply chain, could ease these scalability problems, which have a sharp geopolitical edge given China’s dominance of battery supplies.
BMW is currently touring the world with a fleet of hydrogen-adapted iX5 sport-utility vehicles to make the case for the technology, despite having little if any involvement in commercial vehicles. One of its arguments is that building roadside infrastructure for both battery EVs and hydrogen ones will end up being less expensive for countries than just building an EV infrastructure, which will require huge upgrades to the power grid.
BMW’s fuel cell iX5s are a political calling card: It is easier to galvanize the attention of policy makers if you can show them a car. The same might be said even of the Japanese and Korean fuel-cell EVs you can actually buy: Companies need them to show commitment and raise interest among politicians who often find it easier to focus single-mindedly on battery EVs.
The EU has granted eFuels an exemption in its 2035 ban on sales of new combustion engines. WSJ’s George Downs visits synthetic fuel startup Zero to understand how efuels are made and how they could impact autos. Photo Composite: George Downs
Politics matter because hydrogen has for years been caught in a chicken-and-egg conundrum where investments in vehicles only made sense if there was refueling infrastructure, and vice versa. Now more infrastructure is planned, particularly in the European Union and China, which is one reason companies along the vehicle supply chain are increasing their investments. Automotive parts giant Bosch this week said it would spend an additional $1.1 billion on hydrogen projects, starting with a fuel-cell stack it is supplying to U.S. trucking startup Nikola.
A virtuous cycle might finally be under way in heavy trucks. In time, this could in turn bring down the cost of fuel cells and hydrogen to the point that the technology becomes competitive with battery EVs in the car market, too—though this is still an outside bet given the potential of battery innovations.
Above all, the surprising persistence of the hydrogen-car dream speaks to the uncertainties and complexities of the transition to lower-carbon rides. The curious alliance between Tesla and China has put battery EVs far in the lead for now. But tinkering away in the garage at a backup technology, particularly one that can be sold into other markets, isn’t a crazy thing for carmakers to do.
In an era of rapid technological change, neither manufacturers nor investors can be too confident about seeing around the many corners ahead.'

[skinny] 15/7/2023 10:59

1682? yes.

[teamrilex] 15/7/2023 10:58

Presumably from today’s feature in the Times?

[skinny] 15/7/2023 10:51

The actual high / low is 1626 / 273.


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[skinny] 15/7/2023 09:54

And a bit more :-

[skinny] 14/7/2023 12:22

A bit more PR :-

[richpassi] 14/7/2023 10:49

I only found out about the award this morning when I was reading this piece I found from Imperial, I found it a good read ;) not sure if it's already been posted.https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/245819/market-debut-red-letter-ceres-power/

[colsmith] 14/7/2023 09:46

Maybe parsimonious, and good CWR got the award, but it seems awards don't relate to commercial success - its the market for the product that is the only real award and CERES seems liley to win that one. Anyhow who votes to give the awards and on what basis, although for CERES there is good reason as they are true innovators.

Lets hope the Chinese venture takes off although with all the stupid China bashing by the Gove its not certain I guess. I hope it doesn't go bad with China because the UK gets quite crucial stuff from them such iPhone of course but more importantly the last Poo bags I bought were made in China.

[folderboy] 14/7/2023 09:23

Well that award worked wonders . . .

[chester9] 14/7/2023 09:11

https://macrobertaward.raeng.org.uk/

[chester9] 14/7/2023 08:35

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001nnf6?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobileCeres win award the McRobert award. Mark Selby chats to wake up to money 35 mins in

[book5] 13/7/2023 11:39

Many thanks
I hope so; we need clear air,
let see
looking promising

[skinny] 13/7/2023 11:38

Ostensibly trucks.

[book5] 13/7/2023 11:32

German "auto" supplier Bosh

Please, anyone, what that the word "AUTO" refers to?
Ships, trains?
Cars?

[seball] 13/7/2023 10:30

OK so Bosch moving forward. That imo signals that JV with Weichai will be signed very soon..

[skinny] 13/7/2023 10:03

In my best Dan Maskell voice "Oh, I say".

[seball] 13/7/2023 08:52

Climate-neutral mobility is possible - if we succeed in building the corresponding infrastructure quickly and comprehensively. This includes, among other things, a #hydrogen economy. How does #Bosch intend to drive this forward?
#BoschTechDay