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Versarien LSE:VRS London Ordinary Share GB00B8YZTJ80 ORD 1P
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  +2.00p +9.52% 23.00p 22.00p 24.00p 23.75p 21.25p 21.25p 399,970 11:54:39
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Industrial Engineering 4.4 -1.8 -1.7 - 30.21

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30/4/2017
09:20
Versarien Daily Update: Versarien is listed in the Industrial Engineering sector of the London Stock Exchange with ticker VRS. The last closing price for Versarien was 21p.
Versarien has a 4 week average price of 20.25p and a 12 week average price of 11.75p.
The 1 year high share price is 28p while the 1 year low share price is currently 9.25p.
There are currently 131,330,702 shares in issue and the average daily traded volume is 564,683 shares. The market capitalisation of Versarien is £30,206,061.46.
23/4/2017
07:59
superg1: Hmmm In the quick hunt for the fund raise news I came across this. More share options for the CEO but this time they are free. Get the share price 25% above the AIM all share rate for stated period and he gets 84,443 shares for zero consideration. https://uk.advfn.com/stock-market/london/applied-graph-AGM/share-news/Applied-Graphene-Materials-PLC-Issue-of-share-opti/69957273 Perhaps I haven't looked hard enough but I've never see these type of incentives on any company I've looked at before. In short with 472k in total share options he makes about a million in theory by triggering them purely by getting the share price to go up. Surely that target is a very stupid driver to have on an AIM start up or nay company TNB. It should be based on profits or sales or just plain old reasonable options that we normally see.
22/4/2017
08:42
superg1: Why spin BS Well the key people in a company are the CEO and Chair I'd say CFO but he left. The Chair and the CEO have options. The target to trigger the options is an increase in the share price at 25% over the AIM all share index. Chair options about 492,000 shares and a price of 20p CEO 323k shares at 33p. Share price 185p. So they have very handsome options based on getting the share price up.
16/4/2017
08:32
superg1: Dragons den investor show. Typical of the CEO sticking to the rules where the first 2 went well over the minute. I had a quick look at BMR as that is the guy that claims the share price will double and his comment about skin in the game. For me he was quite off-putting on hype and having had a quick look 'skin in the game' appears to be .95% with options. https://www.shareprophets.com/views/28454/video-dragon-s-den-4-featuring-big-sofa-ariana-resources-bmr-versarien-and-w-resources-at-uk-investor-show-2017 EDIT Sorry if there are BMR guys here but what a load of BS that CEO/Chair piped up with. It's the skin in the game that has me sounding off. He current has .95% of the shares and is the largest BOD shareholder it seems. They gave themselves options of over 13 million shares a while back at 6p so if the share price does double which would be 12p I'm sure he will then have more 'skin in the game'. So they have options at no personal risk. Ariana resources all in costs sounded good. Big sofa no real idea what they do so will have to look them up.
05/4/2017
10:17
ridicule: I agree I need to speak to the CEO SG, I was at Renishaw yesterday listening to Sir David Mc Murtry and being taken round their innovation Centre. I did not put the question straight to Sir David, but I did ask one of his senior managers if they knew of Versarien who are just up the road at Cheltenham. He had not heard of them! Given the space Renishaw occupy, I cannot believe that VRS sales have not been all over them. I intend to write to Neil with a Renishaw contact. My point about gaining metris on VRS was not doubting what their potential was as you infer in your response, it was about metricating that potential which is what all very sound investing must eventually be based on. One way I have derived some comfort is to hypothesise. There are 131.33 million shares in issue. Lets hypothesise a profit of £10 million within 2 years. This would produce an eps of 7.61p, assuming no more dilution, giving a pe of 3.94 if the share price was 30p. This would clearly be ludicrously low and a share price nearer or over £1 would be feasible. The biggest unknown is whether they can move to a profit of £10 million within their current cashflow planning. That is why we need early sight of sales and customer agreements.
15/2/2017
19:14
superg1: SN Re super - no haven't researched it thoroughly, but would like to compare to vrs if it were possible. So far I have seen only opinions on vrs price and spec - Earlier you said you have been following VRS since float so I'm a little confused as to why you don't seem to know too much about it relying in opinions. Have you been to any open days or taken the opportunity to visit if you couldn't make those days. I take it you invested at some point to be that interested and apparently so aggrieved by claimed failure. I know it's often best for AIMs to have one hype trick forever on promises which can go to 100's of millions M/C with not one single penny of revenue for many years. Many such businesses have the CEO on £300k-£500k per year while they deliver nothing at all, it's a great lifestyle. So on learning about VRS and any other share then it seems you'll have to dig in and do every last inch of work yourself as you trust no company comment or any information posted anywhere. I won't knock that approach as it's good to be that way IMO. As it is impossible to know everything (even the company) no matter who they are FT100 or AIM then it's a case of stick or twist. As said earlier there plenty to choose from in the market. Investment warnings exist for all companies. All AIMs are high risk. I see Warren Buffet called the death of retail today and has abandoned Walmart.
23/11/2016
12:47
superg1: re Having a competitor in this field, such as Haydale, with only 17.01 million shares in issue and a share price of 180 -185p, compared to VRS with 105.52 shares in issue and a share price of just 11.5p makes me nervous. Haydale have a much stronger investment engine to raise funding to compete via equity release than VRS by an order of nearly 16 to 1 . Given this, I need to know just how much of different market VRS are operating in. ??? They are two different companies. One produces GNPs and the other enables them. VRs do not need an enabler in many end products neother do others. The whole market ism open to VRS,. Haydle being enablers have thei market reduced, but sit well if they remain the goo too compnay for enabling. They however have no security of supply that is obvious on the few layer level and any few layer supplier may get a better deal elsewhere and stop supplying Haydale. I get the funding thing as it's much less dilutive and totally agree but I'm here for the business view not dilition view. I fear dilution less tham others. I see dilution for gain here not to spalsh out on company jollies, bonuses and plush hotels on junk trips. Then another £3 to £5 mill down the drain most in salaries I expect VRS to dilute if they need to cash in on a money making opportunity, EG a material order for GNPs beyond current capacities that may dictate a good business sense. If Hayd come to VRS asking for high quality GNPs, if the price is right then why not? It doesn't necessarily affect them and what they want to do, it would just be a very tightly worded deal and cash in the bank. I'd do take or pay or similar, otherwise they could sod off.
23/11/2016
11:08
ridicule: SG and others. We must all be careful that our gleened knowledge of Graphene and the associated GNPs do not become so influencial that they cloud our observations on business developments in this market. The following is out in print in the public domain and no one from either Haydale or Huntsman have challenged it to my knowledge: "Ray Gibbs, chief executive of Haydale, is confident a deal will soon be signed which could potentially create a recurring revenue stream for the small cap. It could be a big prize as Huntsman is a major resin supplier to the tooling market. Gibbs believes Haydale will be asked to supply a master batch of graphine-enhanced resin. Huntsman will then be responsible for sales and marketing. We believe they want to focus on the automotive industry for the enhanced resin, but they won't tell us until a license deal is signed he says. Gibbs suggests the contract-assuming one is awarded-would involve Haydale buying resin from hHntsman, adding its magic, and then selling the enhanced resin back to the chemicals group. That implies Haydale would need to find a chunk of cash to act as working capital to fund the purchase of the raw material." There are no indications of the quantities involved or the quality/type of the graphene infusion process. Given SGs input it would not seem that it is 'top end', but these people are not stupid and I cannot accept some of the comments here suggesting or infering that they are. I think we should be focusing on why the VRS NOMAD is not achieving the same level of publicity for VRS and ensuring the market understands where VRS sit in relations to competitors such as Haydale. If this was made clear and was as positive as SG believes, the share price would start to move. I for one, as an investor in VRS and not Haydale, would like to see far more clarity on where VRS sit. I hope there will be some clarification in 6 days time when the latest results are declared. Having a competitor in this field, such as Haydale, with only 17.01 million shares in issue and a share price of 180 -185p, compared to VRS with 105.52 shares in issue and a share price of just 11.5p makes me nervous. Haydale have a much stronger investment engine to raise funding to compete via equity release than VRS by an order of nearly 16 to 1 . Given this, I need to know just how much of different market VRS are operating in.
22/11/2016
11:16
ridicule: I am still weighing the conundrumof VRS versus Haydale. I have done a bit more digging. Haydale curently have revenue of £1.9m with £5.9m of operating costs, delivering a loss of £4m. They are not expected to reach profit until 2018. At the same time they managed to raise £500k on 11 October @160p per share primarily to buy ACM and gain a foothold in the US. This acquisition brings with it an income stream of $2m per annum for the next 3 years, primarily from the sale of silicon carbide. On top of all this, they are pursuing the Huntsman deal whereby they add Graphene resins to the Huntsman epoxy resin. The business model is that Haydale buy the epoxy resin from Huntsman, then add the graphene resin and sell the enhanced resin back to Huntsman to market and distribute. The target market is thought to be Automotive. There are no quantities specified in anything I have read, but they must be very large for Huntsman to be engaged. Haydale admit they are unlikely to be able to borrow the funds required to hold the Huntsman resin stock during the enhancement process and that they will need to raise money via the equity placement route. Their ambitions seem pretty boundless because they are also negotiating a similar deal with the giant Ameantit who lay sewerage pipes in the Middle East that are prone to cracking. The same business model as Huntsman is the route being taken. More bulk resin stockpiles and a further need for working capital. Such an ambitious expansion programme would seem very high risk until one checks out the Haydale financials - only 17.01 million shares in issue and a current share price of 185p. I now need some technical help from SG. Are the GNP distribution patterns, achieved by VRS, created in the manufacture of the Graphene resin, or are they achieved when that resin is added to, lets say, epoxy resin for someone like Huntsman to use? If it is the former, notwithstanding the enormous quanities that may be involved and the practicality of achieving them, VRS should not be a supplier to Haydale because they would be empowering a competitor. If it is the latter, Haydale have a comparable capability to VRS and are a real threat. Turning to the respective PR of both Haydale and VRS, the NOMAD for Haydale is clearly doing a better job than the VRS NOMAD. They are getting them exposure in investment magazines to a greater degree and the newsflow is much more regular, structured and logical. I am not an investor in Haydale but the position they seem to be establishing make me worry somewhat about my investment in VRS. PS The Haydale AGM has just been announced for 15 December.
15/10/2016
11:54
superg1: Shavian I'm glad someone else gets it. The big key is the PR. VRS are material geeks trying to run a business and they expect rns news as the way to let the market know. As we know it's only viewed by those following the company which it seems was less than 10. Neill is a material geek and has been in F1 on that side. He and Will are nuts on that side they love it. As you say I think they played an absolute blinder getting 2D tech. Not back door but front door into Manchester Uni graphene and the NGI. Then the Ulster University route how did such a small company get that tech. The answer is they are material geeks and a bit like me they scan the market looking for it. The same goes re copper foam, another scoop via Liverpool university. 6 degrees celcius better than the market on the passive side. A 10c change halves the life of a semi conductor. Do it via added liquid cooling at look whats happens it's something like 10 times the performance. While VS say it in news, first no one is looking and for some they don't understand it either. This was monster news in the industry and as far as I'm aware VRS are the only company that have the capability for high volume very few layer capability. http://uk.advfn.com/stock-market/london/versarien-VRS/share-news/Versarien-PLC-Major-Advance-in-Scalable-Graphene-P/67233303 The resulting graphene has up to 99% carbon and minimal oxygen content, as well as being effectively inert. The graphene also exhibits exceptionally good structure and retains a very high degree of crystallinity ensuring that the risk of contamination is significantly reduced. Graphene performance is dependent not only on the purity, but the number of atomic layers, with a single layer providing optimal performance, allowing the full potential of graphene to be unlocked. Importantly, the 2-DTech production process provides significant amounts of single layer graphene on an industrial scale. I got the news, was happy for the Carbide side to hit the share price and analysts to remain completely clueless as the share price dropped. They did like the presentations though note the share price rise to 26p. That was presentation week. They talked of opportunity then and now they have proved they are right and have commercial capability on heat sinks and GNPs. RGO and GO with an apparent world lead in both graphene products and heat sinks. Not forgetting the plastics too, they must surely have evidence of enhanced performance, if not why acquire AAC and call it the world's first dedicated graphene enhanced plastics factory. All they are missing now is key to short term cash which has many options and telling the market face to face what they have.
10/10/2016
11:33
superg1: Shavian re 1. What caused the sharp falls in the share price in July? Presumably the dilution caused by the fund raising. Look at the timing of the funding and lack of volume to take it down pre that fund raise. Without buyers on the system the MMs could take it down and thus those funds involved in the fund raising 'mysteriously' got a bonus as the share price dipped into the calculation time period for the fund raise. Funny that (you know how it works in the city) 'I'm surprised that VRS has not yet got more of a following among speculators.' Well the few I know that have been following it were keen it stayed that way while they developed. The fact is as I stated the BOD don't shout about what they have so very few knew about it. Then add in the first acquisition of Total Carbide. Note they supply the oil industry and it took a hit. So what most saw was a company affected by oil. Carbide was a bolt on for synergies re the heat sinks, engineering, machinery and the employee skills. The oil industry factor is a major reason imo why some sold out but I was happy to watch that as I knew VRS had some world leads re GNPS and heat sinks. What they lacked (which I was waiting for) was dispersion availability and an outlet for products by their own means. With the acquisition of AAC they not only have the ability to produce and end product they have some big name end customers to demonstrate the advanced material to. I like their strategy of picking up companies with customers in the area they want rather then trying to cold call customers. AAC have spent £9 million on kit over the years so why spend that just for equipment when you can get the whole lot, skills and staff, premises and end users for a hell of a lot less. In the various news and comments it seems to me the end users are there waiting for the advanced materials and VRS had to get to a position of being able to supply it. To me they were lacking ingredients which they have now gained. Why supply others in the game with the apparently best GNPs out there who would then profit from your skills. Best to do it yourself and leave them behind eating your dust. As for funding most AIMs come up with ideas then splurge millions on trying to get the tech sorted and one day get it to market, therefore their main and often only funding option is to dilute. VRS have acquired companies with long track records and revenue. That opens up the option to debt finance with a tangible business plan instead of BS salesman talk. It also has the discount invoice system. So with the cash looking tight and the commensts they were funded the obvious thing to do was look why they may claim that. There are various answers Collaborations and shared costs some already mentioned. Gov grants which they have received in the past and the latest round is going on now. Banking/overdraft facilities (as in news) Discount invoicing as in the accounts. Other options could be customer funding, dilution and so on. It seemed to me it was bottoming out or near bottoming out, but it got here due to lack of knowledge by the market and being completely ignored by investors. I was happy with that as I wanted things to slot into place before they start attracting attention. It has all the ingredients for a flyer. A guy with decades in investing told me his preference. Quiet unloved with little attention, quiet BBs an so on Genuine disruptive technology that must have worldwide capability into as many sectors as possible. A good team behind them. So it's been a dead share, the market missed or didn't understand the news. The oil red herring has kept it that way. The BOD don't shout about what they have (I suspect they are too busy) AND they are just of that nature. Look at the various awards, I don't recall reading about the US innovation win earlier this year and the only Britsh company to feature. So imo a good time to look at it and exchange views with others that may be out there, which I thought was going to be very few. Best to start talking about it while there is an apparent cash issue rather than wait for all the stars to align imo. VRS don't say too much but they say enough in small bits to make it look very exciting on the product side and who is talking to them. I understand just 2 or 3 went to the AGM with 0 last year. I was hoping those guys would join in the debate, I know they are watching and they had 2 hours worth of exchanges. I hope to pick out all the names and hints re those interested in their products from various news and interviews but it will take time.
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