Thanks once again for the prompt. This adds more to the theory just about to sign off but checked the PDF on PEEK again and noticed something.
On the page titled property improvements look in the right hand bottom corner
It says Exeter technologies group and Centre for Additive Layer Manufacturing aka CALM.
Now that is where Airbus Victrex and VRS met up on the 7th of September the centre for additive layer manufacturing as in this PDF.
The evening dinner was sponsored by Victrex. So Airbus Victrex and VRS had a nice dinner together. It was more or less all about PEEK and adding graphene to PEEK
So on this occasion Anley I think there is a fair chance that 2 + 2 = 4
Then as in this article which was based on the get together the intent is obvious.
That also goes on about laser sintering which is in the VRS PDF and is something the VRS CEO discussed with proactive investors in an interview.
It seems Victrex are the driving force behind it as in this line.
With funding from Innovate UK, CALM and a consortium of seven other organisations led by Victrex, are exploring ways to create affordable, new high performance polymers and composite materials.
So no we don't know if they are with Victrex working on things but they have done work on PEEK and that event with them together seems more than coincidental.|
Not that I'm aware of but as stated earlier Victrex appeared with VRS and Airbus on such topics in Exeter university recently. VRS are connected to Airbus via CT engineering and the BOD member Iain Gary who is ex MD of Airbus.
The PEEK graphene patent talks highly of GNPs additives and as mentioned earlier in the patent tests with multi layer GNPs saw drops in performance in one sector of "elongation to break" in PEEK but in recent tests VRS show an increase in performance.
VRS are working with PEEK as in the pdf with results. Airbus are already using PEEK to replace metal in some applications.
As as PEEK gains in performance from the addition of GNPs it's seems fair to assume there is a chance GNPS will appear in PEEK for various applications.
So 2+2 so far seems to indicate VRS working with PEEK|
|Quick question.......is graphane used in any of the VICTREX applications?
|Continuing strong share price performances from Victrex this week bodes well for future involvement with VRS|
|> You need to stop for a drink SUPERG1.......
so I couldn't resist posting this (although it is a few years old):
Graphene layered tanks may let beer stay fresh for far longer on the shelf
|Took the plunge today thanks to my mate TOT! Cheers fella!
Nice research superg1.|
|It was your fault I haven't even got onto the next potential customer. Got sidetracked by PEEK and all that it turned up re the Airbus, Victrex and VRS chat in Exeter Uni.
That's why BBs are good as intentionally or not it offers up avenues of research that otherwise would have lain dormant.
I'll try and move onto Absolute engineering which for me me quite an exciting area re printer heads up to the industrial 6 metre ones.
GNP enhanced they are much lighter, 2 people can change them over instead of the need for a crane. But then perhaps an unintentional find on that tech was the improved printing due to the hydrophobic nature of graphene. IE less friction for ink in the jets and less clogging.
VRS had a sample of such a normal size printer head. They have the mix tech but not the manufacturing tech. My guess is that would be farmed out if such demand appeared or with AAC they may be able to add something there and do it.|
|You need to stop for a drink SUPERG1.......|
|Well that was simple
Izod is an impact test (ignore the izod clothing brand :-) ) so impact strength and Isotropic means having identical values of a property in all directions. ... Isotropic materials are useful since they are easier to shape.|
|I think I've spotted something material in the solvay/Victrex patent which would explain the VRS link.
It is a bit behind the times as in tests they were using GNPS up to 30 m2 per gram which puts those in the multilayer bracket and what would fall outside GNPs descriptions now. However they did note the improvement with the lower number of layers.
Now the table that caught my eye listed the various gains by adding GNPs but for one section it had the reverse effect. For most things it had a gain.
EG they had a scale of 1-5 with 5 being the best.
For "elongation to break" performance it dropped quite dramatically when adding the GNPs they were using.
EG they list PEEK with no additive as 5 but with GNP additives the majority score was 1 which is a big change.
VRS tests with few layer "17% improvement in elongation to break PEEK"
So quite clearly few layer VRS GNPs have turned that issue around from a big drop in performance to a gain better than PEEK alone.
So while PEEK saw improvements in most areas it saw a big drop in the elongation tests.
The other area where additions take performance down is "% ductile breaks No nod izod" and a mild drop on "isotropic behaviour".
I can't comment on that right now as it may as well be in Swahili.
I'll look it up but I imagine Solvay will have more patents for lower layer levels which I'll also have a look for|
|Re: Cougar 99's last post with a link to an investment newsletter puffing graphene. It's from Angel Publishing of Baltimore which has spammed me several times on various investment trends. I'm tempted to think it's an offshoot of Bill Bonner's Agora empire (The Daily Reckoning, Money Week etc), as they are both spam-meisters based in Baltimore. If so, watch out for the herd arriving over the hill!|
|A quick example as I have just found the Victrex patent on GNPs in PEEK.
Someone with a little knowledge could say. Well carbon nano tubes exist so why bother.
In the patent they call CNTs expensive and
"NGPs can be readily mass produced and are available at lower costs and in larger quantities compared to carbon nanotubes."
But more importantly as recently posted
"Although there are other forms of carbon also having similar or higher specific surface areas such as carbon-nanotubes, these surprisingly do not offer the combination of benefits and advantages seen for NGPs."
BTW they call them nano graphene platelets rather than the G first.
That's where the knowledge helps as if you get a naysayer going on about CNTs then knowledge like that offers a simple answer instead of "good point" as a reply.|
|I think one general blocker is tech of the past like bucky balls. BUT the market is there now due to all the fuel reduction and savings plans. Huge OEMs are desperate for stronger and lighter as can been seen by the various aerospace and auto companies. Then you have certain sport sectors maxed out on current tech.
That's the driver it's just that the ingredients to achieve it were not there and lacked proof of performance. With VRS they have the ingredients and the proof all that production levels are held up by are demand and maths. In theory they can produce tonnes per day by multiplying their method, but you get there step by step depending on demand and who wants it.
The other blocker is the market has no clue about GNPs or has heard of them or the companies involved.
The fact is PEEK changed composites and there is big interest in PEEK. GNPs materially enhance the desired properties of PEEK so their use in PEEK seems inevitable. Same for carbon fibre and plastics too.
The bit I was looking for that I read was about PEEK mixes better when GNPs are added so besides strength it makes the PEEK process easier.
I'll try and find that line again having gone off piste last night.|
|Re the herd themselves.
There are a few key shares about jumping up and down all over the place. Ctag being one and there is enough action on those few shares to keep the herd and traders interested.
If the supply hadn't been around we may have attracted some traders around with the herd as the share price would have seen big jumps on the volumes just like it has done in the past.
Better imo that it's tickling away down here so that the folk that have had an eye on it get some or have the time to digest it all to make decisions or wait for news.
I am sat on some info that I found which I have agreed not to post and hope to chat about it once it becomes obvious via news or other means.|
I don't particularly want the herd here. A few others it seems had been keeping quiet about VRS. Having noted lack of posting or interest in the others in the sector it was obviously safe to do so.
Nano is an example, once they read cadmium free and saw DOW it went completely. Nano graphene (GNPs) appears which can go into 1000's more products than Qdots and no one blinks. Furiously defending the cadmium free claim over there and completely ignoring the huge advantage here.
It's not just about few layer by the condition of the few layer post production. Whatever VRS are doing they manage to get few layer in numbers, high purity and retaining very important properties. Then there are the factors of GO and RGO along with changing properties to get the best results if needed.
That ignores all the dross where companies are calling product graphene nano platelets when it's not. It's often graphite nano platelets and I'm guessing the name difference derives from the massive change in performance of few layer to multi layer in some aspects.
Technical grade lithium and EV grade lithium are separated by a fraction of a percent in purity and the value soars for EV grade.
Having got all the above right you then need dispersion etc.
Having got that then some GNPs work and others don't. I had conversation with someone recently and why some work and others don't hasn't quite been worked out yet. As far as I know VRS GNPS work for various uses, it could be down to the production method retaining key properties.
Hence we find a large OEM appears at speed buying £100k worth with no doubt more to come as that it seems was the 2nd batch and bigger than the first.|
|It's been hailed as the “miracle material” for years, yet graphene investments are just heating up...
|supergy1 - thank you for continuing your stream of research.
As regards "If you took a popular share with a herd on it and .... " then if all does indeed to start to fall in to place for VRS during 2017 then we'll probably see the herd in to VRS.
Seems useful this Graphene stuff:
Fujitsu Develops World's First Gas Sensor to Apply a New Principle for Graphene Use
See how such a simple question can lead me off down another research route. There is so much to consider and look at. Companies put it in news but few seem to read it, digest it and follow up on it.
So ignoring all else, IF they are signing up with Airbus at any point which hasn't really been a hot topic, then I'd rather be in wondering if that would happen rather than fighting over building a position against others if shares got tight after such an event.
The others are the OEM as yet unknown, Absolute engineering which looked very exciting to me, Bromley on the sports and probably the baseboard too. Then the 9 others which may include Dyesol re the solar panels and Evodental re the PEEK stuff. I'll have to try and work out who the other 7 are but they do mention blue chips and other OEMs.
But if you look at AAC and the mention of things moving quickly and expectation to mention customer product launches in the coming months.
AAC already have this lot as customers.
BMW, Ford, Honda, Jaguar, Landrover and Leyland.
British Gas, BT Telecom and EON
I'm ignoring the thermal side where GE and Thermacore were doing tests in the past.
Oh and the comment in recent news.
130 potential customers are currently testing our copper foam products as a result of our global distribution deal with Mouser Electronics Inc and we are seeing further orders, both from our distributors and some customers, thus demonstrating market interest.
Don't forget they turned down deals of 500,000 to 1 million units per month as the orders are too big too early on for them. They said that at the open day and the CEO stated that in an interview. I assume such deals would have amounted to around £10 mill to £30 mill per year. But it would be madness to spend a small fortune to set up the production line for the one customer to change their mind.
So 12 collaborations on the graphene side. Unknown amount of customers trialling their GNPS. A large OEM diving in at speed out of nowhere and as as yet unidentified. Then the bits about Airbus, CT, Victrex and PEEK are very interesting.
Such is the nature of a start up you either wait until things become embedded and well known with the risk reduced or you gamble based on the research and company comments.
If you took a popular share with a herd on it and someone whispered that an Airbus guy popped into their offices to ask if he could use the toilet then they would be going daft over it, screaming BUY BUY all over the place..|
|I tried Airbus and start ups having spotted those bits and this popped up.
|Just some bit I coming across in the search PEEK has already replaced some parts with Airbus
THis one isn't the peek I was looking for but it shows the intent of airbus and no way an I getting in that. It must involve lightweight composites
I did note this line in that
'Airbus made an initial $150 million funding commitment for its new venture capital unit, which is seeking out investments in disruptive technologies to speed up innovations in aerospace.'
Then a line in another report on the same topic
"However, Airbus is now investing heavily in startups"|
I think there is to be another open day coming over Carbide way. So you can visit them after the Airbus, Lockheed, Rolls Royce, Landrover, BMW, Nike, BASF and NASA deals have been signed. Should be plenty to talk about then.|
|I'll start with Airbus as that's what kicked off this bit of posting. Airbus are a partner of the National graphene institute
The CT Engineering collaboration and the message in the news.
Paul Chinnock, General Manager,CT Engineering Group UK, commented: "Our work with Versarien will allow us to develop a whole new generation of aerospace components with market leading material properties and performance levels. The unique combination of CT Engineering's position as a first tier supplier to Airbus Group specialising in advanced composite research and design, and Versarien's proprietary graphene technology, will rapidly move this venture forward and produce a range of innovative products that will disrupt the current aerospace component market."
4 months before that Iain Gray was appointed as a non exec director at Versarien.
Who is he?
"Iain has spent his executive career at the highest levels within the aerospace sector, initially with British Aerospace before becoming engineering director of Airbus UK."
He lists himself as MD for Airbus for 28 years.
The recent find by Serratia went on about Victrex PEEK which is what VRS have done trials on with great results.
Than that comment which showed Airbus Victrex and Versarien in the same article.
Airbus Group Innovations highlighted its advances in addressing recyclability and process reliability through its new ThermoMELT process, Versarien Advanced Composites presented its work with CALM on innovative new Graphene-PAEK nanocomposites, Indmatec, pioneers of extrusion deposition printers for PEEK, discussed its equipment manufacturing developments and CALM gave an update on recent research projects funded by EPSRC, Innovate UK and DSTL, demonstrating the rapidly growing knowledge now available about both materials and processes.
Note Iain Gray is the ex chief exec of Innovate UK. DSTL is the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory.
The if you look at the pdf I posted
Conference on European Strategy for Additive Manufacture with High
The presentation of a group together (Sept 7th) are by Airbus, Victrex and Versarien.
Significant advances made in the graphene division with pivotal collaborations formed to develop and commercialise graphene enhanced products in targeted markets including:
o sports equipment in collaboration with Bromley Technologies
o 3D printing industry in collaboration with Absolute Engineering
o aerospace industry in collaboration with CT Engineering
o a further nine collaborations with other partners
"We have established collaborations with a number of partners and look forward to announcing graphene enhanced products over the coming months as they are launched by our customers."
So it seems obvious that VRS are very well connected with Victrex, CT and Airbus.
Having picked through the VRS investor day bits as in the last post this lne has caught my attention
Efficiency of melting of nanocomposites increased by graphene.
Now I'm sure I just read something like that today on the PEEK/Victrex or Airbus similar topics so I'm going to hunt for that now.|
|The list they out in presentations
Applications for developments
And under market pressure IE demand
High Performance Sports goods
Luxury Consumer goods
Under examples of work they state
PEEK 150 graphene reinforced
➢ Carbon Fibre Composite
➢ Others to follow Silicone, Nylon, ABS, Rubbers, glass and Metallics.
Taking collaborations off the top of my head only tow in the list are obviously mentioned in news. Airbus and Bromley for sports.
Then this list of observations
Graphene incorporated into powders by
standard mixing methods
Mechanical properties of films enhanced
by low graphene loadings
Efficiency of melting of nanocomposites
increased by graphene
Then this bit for carbon fibre
Better resin/fibre adhesion
Blunt crack propagation
Enhance thermal dissipation
Induced electrical conductivity|
|Before I mention the potential and current customers I noted a newish arrival producing graphene. They said their graphene is probably the best in the world. They state their claim after independent testing in Asia against numerous other had them coming out top in all categories and wait for it the HIGHEST purity too at 55%.
Oh well they must obviously left all the players over 55% missed the 98% plus guys like VRS.|
|A good Government article and I notice that there is quite a wage bill to pay each month so hence my question as to customers and demand = production requirements.
It is all starting to fit together and next year I will visit the factory to see for myself just what it can be done to say get to a T/O which makes it about £2m per annum profit (no tax as VRS has sufficient tax losses to cover my figure).|