Kibo Energy Share Discussion Threads

[aimchimp] 23/6/2017 16:33

Let me see now if this new investor theatre Coatee will answer any of the questions that have been asked there and before or just cherry piece these ones he chooses are easiest to perhaps answer in a half answer way. You know it very easy to give answer that people's can read a lot of what they want into and fill in the blank and you can then say you did not say that. It one trick of a slippery fellow if they can do this and pull wool down over those trusting you. Look to the LSE and you will see the ones there that are making the assumptions. The crack may be now starting to show and maybe perhaps some see the light.

[bionictwat] 22/6/2017 23:43

UKIS 2017 KIBO NotesPolicy Changes -Can you explain the difference between the Tanzanian Energy and Policy Procurement Review that is underway, as per the recent presentation and the MEM Policy Review that is completed as per 23/3/17 RNS?These are two completely diffrent reviews. It's hard to put a linear %, in terms of how much of the TEPPR is completed but it's believed the main components have been completed and these aren't really a dealing factor to the ultimate delivery of the project. There is a gazetting process to ensure any changes don't conflict with any other laws etc before being made official.In your assessment how long will the Tanzainan Energy And Policy Procurement Review take to complete?Unable to accurately say but see above that the main bulk of the work has been completed already. So we should be on the home straight.As discussed last year, can you tell me of which, if either, KIBO have had direct input too?Yes they have had input into both of these. Therefore, I read they must have reasonable knowledge of the processes and there shaping of the future.Overall how do you expect all policy changes to benefit the MCPP?Kibo will be benefit for a more robust, solid and sustainable set of rules within the overall framework of reliability within Tanzania. I.e it will ensure all payments etc will be made as agreed which is important for a project like the MCPP which is going to, run for over 25 years.ESIA -What does the ESIA Certification process involve?Literally just a final check and a signing off process. There could be the odd question that may come back to KIBO or a confirmation of certain elements but basically it is what it is, a signing up process.Given the timelines for ESIA certification acquired by other companies, the ESIA certification for KIBO should be imminent. Is there anything else that is holding this up i.e hanging on outstanding policy changes and should we expect this any day now, by that reasoning?Yes KIBO are awaiting this to drop anytime now with nothing else holding this up.SML -Given the timelines for SML approval acquired by other companies, the SML approval for KIBO should be imminent. Is there anything else that is holding this up i.e hanging on outstanding policy changes and should we expect this any day now, by that reasoning?Again, yes KIBO are awaiting this to drop anytime now with nothing else holding this up.PPA -Given the phrases used in the RNS of the 23/3/17 of 'ensuring that a final PPA can be concluded ASAP'. Can we verify that preliminary PPA tariffs were applied to the facilitate the production of the IBFS and Financial Model?The conversation quickly negated this section of questions. LC explained that we have no figures to plug in anywhere and this method of thought is the direct opposite to what is actually happening in reality in this process. We are working this completely the other way around. We are saying what the tariff figures should be, driven from the independently produced figures via the feasibility studies completed. We have control and push negotiations to where we want them to be not the other way around. To me, this means we guarantee a profitable outcome for the project. If so, we're these preliminary PPA tarriffs agreed with Tanesco?N/AAgain, and if so, are the accuracy of these tariffs still withstanding given the policy reviews?N/AFC -Can we assume once we have an ESIA, SML and PPA we can advance straight to FC or are there any other workstreams that need completing that will hold up going to FC? Yes, although some parallel work means part of FC can already be in progress. It is possible to call a scenario of being in a Preliminary FC.Are SEPCO bound to pay you the $3.6m on entering FC or at the completion of FC?This will be on competition of FC but this is not seen to cause any problems in anyway.Will there be a news blackout during FC due to its sensitive nature?Once we reach FC, or more accurately on signing the PPA, that is when the real figures and detail can be released. LC seemed to allude on more than one occasion to look at the figures for the coal that you can workout to give a good pointer to the value that lies ahead. Therefore I don't see FC as requiring a suspension or news blackout.MCPP General -How our partners feel about the delays induced by the Government?They seem pretty understanding of the region and it's development. Obviously they have huge budgets and can outside these types of delays, so no issue here.Did Sandersons acquisition of part of the MCPP surprise you, especially vs their usual MO?LC agreed that obviously it isn't there normal line of business and that it probsbly surprised Sandersons themselves more than it did himself when they got so deeply involved. They have made a huge commitment that the believe they will benefit from.Are you any closer to knowing whether the project will be separated or integrated?No comment.What is your gut feel on which route you prefer to go down?No comment.Do you feel a 30% retention as previously alluded to is realistic or had that changed +/-?Yes this is entirely still possible and and therefore valid figure to base any calculations on.When Sandersons took their 2.5% valuing the MCPP at a discounted $100m, what was the agreed discount valued at?Although he couldn't recall the discounted figure he interesting said this value was based only on the figures from the mine. This took me back a touch as it was the complete opposite to what I expected. In fact, it may well, give rise to the fact my recent 25p a share figure for u the mine for each 300MW is too low. It puts it back to being more 35p and discounted at that !!! He must be expecting a much better price than $32.7mt for the coal being sold into the plant, imo.Can you confirm this 2.5% of the MCPP includes the mine. N/AHow does the MEN's statement that 30% of Tanzanian Mining Companies Share holding must be floated on the DSE affect all of our projects especially the MCPP?This would only affect projects that require an SML. Therfore only affect the MCPP. That said, LC was of the opinion that this would in all likelyhood NOT apply to us due to the National Strategic Importance of the project. Make of that, what you will.Can we still expect the MCPP to be spun out ala Katoro?It will either be spun out or in all likelyhood hood, Hanetti will be spun out leaving the MCPP on its own with KIBO.If so at what point would you need to initiate this?N/A. As an aside Noel seemed very excited about Hanetti. I had the feeling more work had been going on there than they have let on possibly.Sandersons -Can you give the exact repayment date of the current 2.9m loan facility?There is no set date and this is a very fluid arrangement. The distinct impressions I got was that there is alot more commitment between all these parties towards eachother than we give them credit for. Sandersons are not there to screw KIBO over for missed dates etc. From what LC said it seems very fluid and flexible. He seemed relaxed to the point of dismissing this as any issue whatsoever.

[aimchimp] 22/6/2017 23:05

You can not hide this! Questions are and should allow to be asked of the company and answers given not cherry picking for the ones they want! Why these persons try and stifle debate here? Same thing he post over and over from the Q&A many many weeks ago which if you read them it does not tell you any more than "news soon" with a wink from Coatee!?So still waiting on Coatee I see. For when the licences coming now any day imminent? I think problems here from Magufuli and government letting things maybe get away and has the company under his foot. Not many project sidelining to sell off now and monies are surely very close, what new now another drawdown? A placing? How the company keep going and playing the waiting game until the have to raise monies. I wonder if Magufuli knows this too. Why not Magufuli give licence to Dangote for example and say the company have no choice in matter? I cannot for life of myself see why these licences not completed unless big problem somewhere with this but would not Coatee have to tell market this?Very easy to say be patient and coming soon but how long is pieces of string? All the while monies are being spent and on what?

[bionictwat] 22/6/2017 22:21

UKIS 2017 KIBO NotesPolicy Changes -Can you explain the difference between the Tanzanian Energy and Policy Procurement Review that is underway, as per the recent presentation and the MEM Policy Review that is completed as per 23/3/17 RNS?These are two completely diffrent reviews. It's hard to put a linear %, in terms of how much of the TEPPR is completed but it's believed the main components have been completed and these aren't really a dealing factor to the ultimate delivery of the project. There is a gazetting process to ensure any changes don't conflict with any other laws etc before being made official.In your assessment how long will the Tanzainan Energy And Policy Procurement Review take to complete?Unable to accurately say but see above that the main bulk of the work has been completed already. So we should be on the home straight.As discussed last year, can you tell me of which, if either, KIBO have had direct input too?Yes they have had input into both of these. Therefore, I read they must have reasonable knowledge of the processes and there shaping of the future.Overall how do you expect all policy changes to benefit the MCPP?Kibo will be benefit for a more robust, solid and sustainable set of rules within the overall framework of reliability within Tanzania. I.e it will ensure all payments etc will be made as agreed which is important for a project like the MCPP which is going to, run for over 25 years.ESIA -What does the ESIA Certification process involve?Literally just a final check and a signing off process. There could be the odd question that may come back to KIBO or a confirmation of certain elements but basically it is what it is, a signing up process.Given the timelines for ESIA certification acquired by other companies, the ESIA certification for KIBO should be imminent. Is there anything else that is holding this up i.e hanging on outstanding policy changes and should we expect this any day now, by that reasoning?Yes KIBO are awaiting this to drop anytime now with nothing else holding this up.SML -Given the timelines for SML approval acquired by other companies, the SML approval for KIBO should be imminent. Is there anything else that is holding this up i.e hanging on outstanding policy changes and should we expect this any day now, by that reasoning?Again, yes KIBO are awaiting this to drop anytime now with nothing else holding this up.PPA -Given the phrases used in the RNS of the 23/3/17 of 'ensuring that a final PPA can be concluded ASAP'. Can we verify that preliminary PPA tariffs were applied to the facilitate the production of the IBFS and Financial Model?The conversation quickly negated this section of questions. LC explained that we have no figures to plug in anywhere and this method of thought is the direct opposite to what is actually happening in reality in this process. We are working this completely the other way around. We are saying what the tariff figures should be, driven from the independently produced figures via the feasibility studies completed. We have control and push negotiations to where we want them to be not the other way around. To me, this means we guarantee a profitable outcome for the project. If so, we're these preliminary PPA tarriffs agreed with Tanesco?N/AAgain, and if so, are the accuracy of these tariffs still withstanding given the policy reviews?N/AFC -Can we assume once we have an ESIA, SML and PPA we can advance straight to FC or are there any other workstreams that need completing that will hold up going to FC? Yes, although some parallel work means part of FC can already be in progress. It is possible to call a scenario of being in a Preliminary FC.Are SEPCO bound to pay you the $3.6m on entering FC or at the completion of FC?This will be on competition of FC but this is not seen to cause any problems in anyway.Will there be a news blackout during FC due to its sensitive nature?Once we reach FC, or more accurately on signing the PPA, that is when the real figures and detail can be released. LC seemed to allude on more than one occasion to look at the figures for the coal that you can workout to give a good pointer to the value that lies ahead. Therefore I don't see FC as requiring a suspension or news blackout.MCPP General -How our partners feel about the delays induced by the Government?They seem pretty understanding of the region and it's development. Obviously they have huge budgets and can outside these types of delays, so no issue here.Did Sandersons acquisition of part of the MCPP surprise you, especially vs their usual MO?LC agreed that obviously it isn't there normal line of business and that it probsbly surprised Sandersons themselves more than it did himself when they got so deeply involved. They have made a huge commitment that the believe they will benefit from.Are you any closer to knowing whether the project will be separated or integrated?No comment.What is your gut feel on which route you prefer to go down?No comment.Do you feel a 30% retention as previously alluded to is realistic or had that changed +/-?Yes this is entirely still possible and and therefore valid figure to base any calculations on.When Sandersons took their 2.5% valuing the MCPP at a discounted $100m, what was the agreed discount valued at?Although he couldn't recall the discounted figure he interesting said this value was based only on the figures from the mine. This took me back a touch as it was the complete opposite to what I expected. In fact, it may well, give rise to the fact my recent 25p a share figure for u the mine for each 300MW is too low. It puts it back to being more 35p and discounted at that !!! He must be expecting a much better price than $32.7mt for the coal being sold into the plant, imo.Can you confirm this 2.5% of the MCPP includes the mine. N/AHow does the MEN's statement that 30% of Tanzanian Mining Companies Share holding must be floated on the DSE affect all of our projects especially the MCPP?This would only affect projects that require an SML. Therfore only affect the MCPP. That said, LC was of the opinion that this would in all likelyhood NOT apply to us due to the National Strategic Importance of the project. Make of that, what you will.Can we still expect the MCPP to be spun out ala Katoro?It will either be spun out or in all likelyhood hood, Hanetti will be spun out leaving the MCPP on its own with KIBO.If so at what point would you need to initiate this?N/A. As an aside Noel seemed very excited about Hanetti. I had the feeling more work had been going on there than they have let on possibly.Sandersons -Can you give the exact repayment date of the current 2.9m loan facility?There is no set date and this is a very fluid arrangement. The distinct impressions I got was that there is alot more commitment between all these parties towards eachother than we give them credit for. Sandersons are not there to screw KIBO over for missed dates etc. From what LC said it seems very fluid and flexible. He seemed relaxed to the point of dismissing this as any issue whatsoever.

[rubberdolly] 22/6/2017 20:37

Can we all really trust Mr Maguful ?I don't think we can but I shall put my questions to LC on the 29th at the meeting.I hope he will answer my questions in full and explain everything I need answering.

[rubberdolly] 22/6/2017 20:30

Very good points raised and I can see what you mean.My take on this is that the SML will not be forthcoming and the coal they have will just be sold off.My other concern is the gold sample that has been sent for lab results will be an extremely poor grade.I know this because I have been doing some digging myself in Africa over the years but never came across anything of true value in the rocks.Just my thoughts of course.

[aimchimp] 22/6/2017 20:19

Why did SEPCO and GE say to only be contractors and not partners on plant? Why not want a piece of the pie? They want work not end product which worrying to be I think but then they know how Magufuli works in Tanzania and can see delay, probably waiting for Dangote to buy thei company for pennies once Mr Sanderson has diluted them. Surprising this question not asked of them at the recent investor theatre or perhaps they didn't like the sound of the answers. SEPCO give money for work contract they not partners they are working for a contract when contract no go ahead they have take on the companay why the contract not available? Look to me like a money placing going in here now.

[rubberdolly] 22/6/2017 20:12

Many have sold out as they don't see anything substantial that will shift the share price You cannot blame them it's their choice as this is one massive gamble especially on aim.Mining stocks are all in negative territory and I don't see it ever changing anytime soon especially in Africa when it's the worst country for investment.

[bionictwat] 22/6/2017 20:06

UKIS 2017 KIBO NotesPolicy Changes -Can you explain the difference between the Tanzanian Energy and Policy Procurement Review that is underway, as per the recent presentation and the MEM Policy Review that is completed as per 23/3/17 RNS?These are two completely diffrent reviews. It's hard to put a linear %, in terms of how much of the TEPPR is completed but it's believed the main components have been completed and these aren't really a dealing factor to the ultimate delivery of the project. There is a gazetting process to ensure any changes don't conflict with any other laws etc before being made official.In your assessment how long will the Tanzainan Energy And Policy Procurement Review take to complete?Unable to accurately say but see above that the main bulk of the work has been completed already. So we should be on the home straight.As discussed last year, can you tell me of which, if either, KIBO have had direct input too?Yes they have had input into both of these. Therefore, I read they must have reasonable knowledge of the processes and there shaping of the future.Overall how do you expect all policy changes to benefit the MCPP?Kibo will be benefit for a more robust, solid and sustainable set of rules within the overall framework of reliability within Tanzania. I.e it will ensure all payments etc will be made as agreed which is important for a project like the MCPP which is going to, run for over 25 years.ESIA -What does the ESIA Certification process involve?Literally just a final check and a signing off process. There could be the odd question that may come back to KIBO or a confirmation of certain elements but basically it is what it is, a signing up process.Given the timelines for ESIA certification acquired by other companies, the ESIA certification for KIBO should be imminent. Is there anything else that is holding this up i.e hanging on outstanding policy changes and should we expect this any day now, by that reasoning?Yes KIBO are awaiting this to drop anytime now with nothing else holding this up.SML -Given the timelines for SML approval acquired by other companies, the SML approval for KIBO should be imminent. Is there anything else that is holding this up i.e hanging on outstanding policy changes and should we expect this any day now, by that reasoning?Again, yes KIBO are awaiting this to drop anytime now with nothing else holding this up.PPA -Given the phrases used in the RNS of the 23/3/17 of 'ensuring that a final PPA can be concluded ASAP'. Can we verify that preliminary PPA tariffs were applied to the facilitate the production of the IBFS and Financial Model?The conversation quickly negated this section of questions. LC explained that we have no figures to plug in anywhere and this method of thought is the direct opposite to what is actually happening in reality in this process. We are working this completely the other way around. We are saying what the tariff figures should be, driven from the independently produced figures via the feasibility studies completed. We have control and push negotiations to where we want them to be not the other way around. To me, this means we guarantee a profitable outcome for the project. If so, we're these preliminary PPA tarriffs agreed with Tanesco?N/AAgain, and if so, are the accuracy of these tariffs still withstanding given the policy reviews?N/AFC -Can we assume once we have an ESIA, SML and PPA we can advance straight to FC or are there any other workstreams that need completing that will hold up going to FC? Yes, although some parallel work means part of FC can already be in progress. It is possible to call a scenario of being in a Preliminary FC.Are SEPCO bound to pay you the $3.6m on entering FC or at the completion of FC?This will be on competition of FC but this is not seen to cause any problems in anyway.Will there be a news blackout during FC due to its sensitive nature?Once we reach FC, or more accurately on signing the PPA, that is when the real figures and detail can be released. LC seemed to allude on more than one occasion to look at the figures for the coal that you can workout to give a good pointer to the value that lies ahead. Therefore I don't see FC as requiring a suspension or news blackout.MCPP General -How our partners feel about the delays induced by the Government?They seem pretty understanding of the region and it's development. Obviously they have huge budgets and can outside these types of delays, so no issue here.Did Sandersons acquisition of part of the MCPP surprise you, especially vs their usual MO?LC agreed that obviously it isn't there normal line of business and that it probsbly surprised Sandersons themselves more than it did himself when they got so deeply involved. They have made a huge commitment that the believe they will benefit from.Are you any closer to knowing whether the project will be separated or integrated?No comment.What is your gut feel on which route you prefer to go down?No comment.Do you feel a 30% retention as previously alluded to is realistic or had that changed +/-?Yes this is entirely still possible and and therefore valid figure to base any calculations on.When Sandersons took their 2.5% valuing the MCPP at a discounted $100m, what was the agreed discount valued at?Although he couldn't recall the discounted figure he interesting said this value was based only on the figures from the mine. This took me back a touch as it was the complete opposite to what I expected. In fact, it may well, give rise to the fact my recent 25p a share figure for u the mine for each 300MW is too low. It puts it back to being more 35p and discounted at that !!! He must be expecting a much better price than $32.7mt for the coal being sold into the plant, imo.Can you confirm this 2.5% of the MCPP includes the mine. N/AHow does the MEN's statement that 30% of Tanzanian Mining Companies Share holding must be floated on the DSE affect all of our projects especially the MCPP?This would only affect projects that require an SML. Therfore only affect the MCPP. That said, LC was of the opinion that this would in all likelyhood NOT apply to us due to the National Strategic Importance of the project. Make of that, what you will.Can we still expect the MCPP to be spun out ala Katoro?It will either be spun out or in all likelyhood hood, Hanetti will be spun out leaving the MCPP on its own with KIBO.If so at what point would you need to initiate this?N/A. As an aside Noel seemed very excited about Hanetti. I had the feeling more work had been going on there than they have let on possibly.Sandersons -Can you give the exact repayment date of the current 2.9m loan facility?There is no set date and this is a very fluid arrangement. The distinct impressions I got was that there is alot more commitment between all these parties towards eachother than we give them credit for. Sandersons are not there to screw KIBO over for missed dates etc. From what LC said it seems very fluid and flexible. He seemed relaxed to the point of dismissing this as any issue whatsoever.

[guitars4stars] 22/6/2017 18:49

Aimchimp ='s impaired hearing and yes idiot deramper... very easy to spot.

[guitars4stars] 22/6/2017 17:02

Aimchimp ='s idiot deramper... very easy to spot.

[aimchimp] 22/6/2017 16:59

electrick12 Jun '17 - 16:24 - 4107 of 4110 0 0An extract from the often reposted notes with some comments in CAPS. THE COMMENTS ARE OBSERVATIONS BASED ON WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED AND BEEN CONFIRMED BY THE COMPANY SINCE EARLY APRILSandersons -Can you give the exact repayment date of the current 2.9m loan facility?There is no set date and this is a very fluid arrangement. The distinct impressions I got was that there is alot more commitment between all these parties towards eachother than we give them credit for. Sandersons are not there to screw KIBO over for missed dates etc. From what LC said it seems very fluid and flexible. He seemed relaxed to the point of dismissing this as any issue whatsoever.I UNDERSTAND THE ANNUAL REPORT STATES THAT REPAYMENT IS ON RECEIPT OF CASH FROM SEPCO. SEEMS VERY STRANGE RESPONSE WITH THAT IN MIND> OF COURSE I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THE ISSUE WOULD BE DISMISSED BUT IT DOES BEG THE QUESTION WHY BE VAGUE... OR COULD IT BE THAT THE NOTES GOT A BIT BEFUDDLEDHow much currently of the facility has been drawn?I found it hard to believe they didn't know the answer to this but felt it was more a point of not wanting to give any shareholders privileged information, therefore, as it stands we received no figure on this.ODD THAT THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED PRIVILEDGED INFO... DRAWAING ON A FACILITY WHICH HAD NO PENALTY FEES PER DRAWDOWN OR INTEREST OTHER THAN THOSE ALREADY PAID (IN SHARES) PERHAPS IT COULD BE THE NOTES GOT A BIT MESSED UP AND THE REPORT WASNT ACCURATE?Given the slippage in timelines for FC what contingencies have you in place for settlement of monies drawn under the current Sandersons agreement and how can we best expect you to negotiate a solution to this?See above. Totally unworried, I suspect an alternative cash injection possibly from selling part of this his he MCPP down, potentially GE appeared the favourites imo.WHY WOULD CASH INJECTIONS FOR SETTLMENT AHEAD OF FC BE REQUIRED? I UNDERSTAND IT THE ANNUAL REPORT SHOWS THE REPAYMENT OF THE FACILITY IS WHEN KIBO IS IN RECEIPT OF THE CASH FROM SEPCO>> WHICH IS POST FINANCIAL CLOSE... PERHAPS THE NOTES MAY HAVE BEEN CONFUSED OR THE NOTE TAKER WASNT LISTENING MAYBE AND WROTE WHAT HE THOUGHT COULD HAVE BEEN SAID!Do you conceed that where Sandersons has the right to convert up to £1.5m of amount drawn down on the Facility into Kibo Shares at the 30 day VWAP prior to the repayment date of the total Facility amount that there is an interest in the KIBO share price being low going through this period for them?LC seemed to be of the opinion this wasn't in Sandersons interest to have a low share price. I asked him if maybe it was in their favour for a short time i.e the 30 day VWAP period at least to get the max shares for the upto 1.5m but LC seemed to say the it was at our discretion whether upto max 1.5m of the facility was repayable as shares.HOW VERY STRANGE THAT LC WASNT CLEAR ON THIS POINT.... THE RECENT DETAIL STATES THAT THE OPTION FOR SETTLMENT IN SHARES IN NOT AT KIBOS CHOICE BUT AT THE OPTION FOR SANDERSON.. AGAIN IT SEEMS THAT THE REPORT OUT DOES NOT ACTUALLY REFLECT THE FACTS... WHY WOULD LC TELL AN INVESTOR THIS? PERHAPS WHOEVER WAS LISTENING MISHEARD THESE ALTERNATIVE FACTS?I assume that as the deal and a repayment date seem flexible this maybe isn't a problem as previously explained but also I feel he has access to an alternate funding to eliminate this problem. I.e selling down a small stake in the MCPP possibly.AND THEN BACK TO THE SELLING DOWN OF A STAKE IN MCPP WHICH KEEPS BEING ROLLED OUT AS A POSSIBILITY>>> JUST FEELS LIKE A PLATFORM FOR SOMEONES HOPES AND THOUGHTS... PERHAPS IT WAS NOISY AND STRAINING TO HEAR RESPONSES MADE SOME POINTS FOGGY...

[aimchimp] 22/6/2017 16:58

Why this person try and stifle debate here? Same thing he post over and over from the Q&A many many weeks ago which if you read them it does not tell you any more than "news soon" with a wink from Coatee!?So still waiting on Coatee I see. For when the licences coming now any day imminent? I think problems here from Magufuli and government letting things maybe get away and has the company under his foot. Not many project sidelining to sell off now and monies are surely very close, what new now another drawdown? A placing? How the company keep going and playing the waiting game until the have to raise monies. I wonder if Magufuli knows this too. Why not Magufuli give licence to Dangote for example and say the company have no choice in matter? I cannot for life of myself see why these licences not completed unless big problem somewhere with this but would not Coatee have to tell market this?Very easy to say be patient and coming soon but how long is pieces of string? All the while monies are being spent and on what?

[bionictwat] 22/6/2017 16:56

UKIS 2017 KIBO NotesPolicy Changes -Can you explain the difference between the Tanzanian Energy and Policy Procurement Review that is underway, as per the recent presentation and the MEM Policy Review that is completed as per 23/3/17 RNS?These are two completely diffrent reviews. It's hard to put a linear %, in terms of how much of the TEPPR is completed but it's believed the main components have been completed and these aren't really a dealing factor to the ultimate delivery of the project. There is a gazetting process to ensure any changes don't conflict with any other laws etc before being made official.In your assessment how long will the Tanzainan Energy And Policy Procurement Review take to complete?Unable to accurately say but see above that the main bulk of the work has been completed already. So we should be on the home straight.As discussed last year, can you tell me of which, if either, KIBO have had direct input too?Yes they have had input into both of these. Therefore, I read they must have reasonable knowledge of the processes and there shaping of the future.Overall how do you expect all policy changes to benefit the MCPP?Kibo will be benefit for a more robust, solid and sustainable set of rules within the overall framework of reliability within Tanzania. I.e it will ensure all payments etc will be made as agreed which is important for a project like the MCPP which is going to, run for over 25 years.ESIA -What does the ESIA Certification process involve?Literally just a final check and a signing off process. There could be the odd question that may come back to KIBO or a confirmation of certain elements but basically it is what it is, a signing up process.Given the timelines for ESIA certification acquired by other companies, the ESIA certification for KIBO should be imminent. Is there anything else that is holding this up i.e hanging on outstanding policy changes and should we expect this any day now, by that reasoning?Yes KIBO are awaiting this to drop anytime now with nothing else holding this up.SML -Given the timelines for SML approval acquired by other companies, the SML approval for KIBO should be imminent. Is there anything else that is holding this up i.e hanging on outstanding policy changes and should we expect this any day now, by that reasoning?Again, yes KIBO are awaiting this to drop anytime now with nothing else holding this up.PPA -Given the phrases used in the RNS of the 23/3/17 of 'ensuring that a final PPA can be concluded ASAP'. Can we verify that preliminary PPA tariffs were applied to the facilitate the production of the IBFS and Financial Model?The conversation quickly negated this section of questions. LC explained that we have no figures to plug in anywhere and this method of thought is the direct opposite to what is actually happening in reality in this process. We are working this completely the other way around. We are saying what the tariff figures should be, driven from the independently produced figures via the feasibility studies completed. We have control and push negotiations to where we want them to be not the other way around. To me, this means we guarantee a profitable outcome for the project. If so, we're these preliminary PPA tarriffs agreed with Tanesco?N/AAgain, and if so, are the accuracy of these tariffs still withstanding given the policy reviews?N/AFC -Can we assume once we have an ESIA, SML and PPA we can advance straight to FC or are there any other workstreams that need completing that will hold up going to FC? Yes, although some parallel work means part of FC can already be in progress. It is possible to call a scenario of being in a Preliminary FC.Are SEPCO bound to pay you the $3.6m on entering FC or at the completion of FC?This will be on competition of FC but this is not seen to cause any problems in anyway.Will there be a news blackout during FC due to its sensitive nature?Once we reach FC, or more accurately on signing the PPA, that is when the real figures and detail can be released. LC seemed to allude on more than one occasion to look at the figures for the coal that you can workout to give a good pointer to the value that lies ahead. Therefore I don't see FC as requiring a suspension or news blackout.MCPP General -How our partners feel about the delays induced by the Government?They seem pretty understanding of the region and it's development. Obviously they have huge budgets and can outside these types of delays, so no issue here.Did Sandersons acquisition of part of the MCPP surprise you, especially vs their usual MO?LC agreed that obviously it isn't there normal line of business and that it probsbly surprised Sandersons themselves more than it did himself when they got so deeply involved. They have made a huge commitment that the believe they will benefit from.Are you any closer to knowing whether the project will be separated or integrated?No comment.What is your gut feel on which route you prefer to go down?No comment.Do you feel a 30% retention as previously alluded to is realistic or had that changed +/-?Yes this is entirely still possible and and therefore valid figure to base any calculations on.When Sandersons took their 2.5% valuing the MCPP at a discounted $100m, what was the agreed discount valued at?Although he couldn't recall the discounted figure he interesting said this value was based only on the figures from the mine. This took me back a touch as it was the complete opposite to what I expected. In fact, it may well, give rise to the fact my recent 25p a share figure for u the mine for each 300MW is too low. It puts it back to being more 35p and discounted at that !!! He must be expecting a much better price than $32.7mt for the coal being sold into the plant, imo.Can you confirm this 2.5% of the MCPP includes the mine. N/AHow does the MEN's statement that 30% of Tanzanian Mining Companies Share holding must be floated on the DSE affect all of our projects especially the MCPP?This would only affect projects that require an SML. Therfore only affect the MCPP. That said, LC was of the opinion that this would in all likelyhood NOT apply to us due to the National Strategic Importance of the project. Make of that, what you will.Can we still expect the MCPP to be spun out ala Katoro?It will either be spun out or in all likelyhood hood, Hanetti will be spun out leaving the MCPP on its own with KIBO.If so at what point would you need to initiate this?N/A. As an aside Noel seemed very excited about Hanetti. I had the feeling more work had been going on there than they have let on possibly.Sandersons -Can you give the exact repayment date of the current 2.9m loan facility?There is no set date and this is a very fluid arrangement. The distinct impressions I got was that there is alot more commitment between all these parties towards eachother than we give them credit for. Sandersons are not there to screw KIBO over for missed dates etc. From what LC said it seems very fluid and flexible. He seemed relaxed to the point of dismissing this as any issue whatsoever.

[aimchimp] 22/6/2017 16:31

So still waiting on Coatee I see. For when the licences coming now any day imminent? I think problems here from Magufuli and government letting things maybe get away and has the company under his foot. Not many project sidelining to sell off now and monies are surely very close, what new now another drawdown? A placing? How the company keep going and playing the waiting game until the have to raise monies. I wonder if Magufuli knows this too. Why not Magufuli give licence to Dangote for example and say the company have no choice in matter? I cannot for life of myself see why these licences not completed unless big problem somewhere with this but would not Coatee have to tell market this?Very easy to say be patient and coming soon but how long is pieces of string? All the while monies are being spent and on what?

[bionictwat] 22/6/2017 12:26

UKIS 2017 KIBO NotesPolicy Changes -Can you explain the difference between the Tanzanian Energy and Policy Procurement Review that is underway, as per the recent presentation and the MEM Policy Review that is completed as per 23/3/17 RNS?These are two completely diffrent reviews. It's hard to put a linear %, in terms of how much of the TEPPR is completed but it's believed the main components have been completed and these aren't really a dealing factor to the ultimate delivery of the project. There is a gazetting process to ensure any changes don't conflict with any other laws etc before being made official.In your assessment how long will the Tanzainan Energy And Policy Procurement Review take to complete?Unable to accurately say but see above that the main bulk of the work has been completed already. So we should be on the home straight.As discussed last year, can you tell me of which, if either, KIBO have had direct input too?Yes they have had input into both of these. Therefore, I read they must have reasonable knowledge of the processes and there shaping of the future.Overall how do you expect all policy changes to benefit the MCPP?Kibo will be benefit for a more robust, solid and sustainable set of rules within the overall framework of reliability within Tanzania. I.e it will ensure all payments etc will be made as agreed which is important for a project like the MCPP which is going to, run for over 25 years.ESIA -What does the ESIA Certification process involve?Literally just a final check and a signing off process. There could be the odd question that may come back to KIBO or a confirmation of certain elements but basically it is what it is, a signing up process.Given the timelines for ESIA certification acquired by other companies, the ESIA certification for KIBO should be imminent. Is there anything else that is holding this up i.e hanging on outstanding policy changes and should we expect this any day now, by that reasoning?Yes KIBO are awaiting this to drop anytime now with nothing else holding this up.SML -Given the timelines for SML approval acquired by other companies, the SML approval for KIBO should be imminent. Is there anything else that is holding this up i.e hanging on outstanding policy changes and should we expect this any day now, by that reasoning?Again, yes KIBO are awaiting this to drop anytime now with nothing else holding this up.PPA -Given the phrases used in the RNS of the 23/3/17 of 'ensuring that a final PPA can be concluded ASAP'. Can we verify that preliminary PPA tariffs were applied to the facilitate the production of the IBFS and Financial Model?The conversation quickly negated this section of questions. LC explained that we have no figures to plug in anywhere and this method of thought is the direct opposite to what is actually happening in reality in this process. We are working this completely the other way around. We are saying what the tariff figures should be, driven from the independently produced figures via the feasibility studies completed. We have control and push negotiations to where we want them to be not the other way around. To me, this means we guarantee a profitable outcome for the project. If so, we're these preliminary PPA tarriffs agreed with Tanesco?N/AAgain, and if so, are the accuracy of these tariffs still withstanding given the policy reviews?N/AFC -Can we assume once we have an ESIA, SML and PPA we can advance straight to FC or are there any other workstreams that need completing that will hold up going to FC? Yes, although some parallel work means part of FC can already be in progress. It is possible to call a scenario of being in a Preliminary FC.Are SEPCO bound to pay you the $3.6m on entering FC or at the completion of FC?This will be on competition of FC but this is not seen to cause any problems in anyway.Will there be a news blackout during FC due to its sensitive nature?Once we reach FC, or more accurately on signing the PPA, that is when the real figures and detail can be released. LC seemed to allude on more than one occasion to look at the figures for the coal that you can workout to give a good pointer to the value that lies ahead. Therefore I don't see FC as requiring a suspension or news blackout.MCPP General -How our partners feel about the delays induced by the Government?They seem pretty understanding of the region and it's development. Obviously they have huge budgets and can outside these types of delays, so no issue here.Did Sandersons acquisition of part of the MCPP surprise you, especially vs their usual MO?LC agreed that obviously it isn't there normal line of business and that it probsbly surprised Sandersons themselves more than it did himself when they got so deeply involved. They have made a huge commitment that the believe they will benefit from.Are you any closer to knowing whether the project will be separated or integrated?No comment.What is your gut feel on which route you prefer to go down?No comment.Do you feel a 30% retention as previously alluded to is realistic or had that changed +/-?Yes this is entirely still possible and and therefore valid figure to base any calculations on.When Sandersons took their 2.5% valuing the MCPP at a discounted $100m, what was the agreed discount valued at?Although he couldn't recall the discounted figure he interesting said this value was based only on the figures from the mine. This took me back a touch as it was the complete opposite to what I expected. In fact, it may well, give rise to the fact my recent 25p a share figure for u the mine for each 300MW is too low. It puts it back to being more 35p and discounted at that !!! He must be expecting a much better price than $32.7mt for the coal being sold into the plant, imo.Can you confirm this 2.5% of the MCPP includes the mine. N/AHow does the MEN's statement that 30% of Tanzanian Mining Companies Share holding must be floated on the DSE affect all of our projects especially the MCPP?This would only affect projects that require an SML. Therfore only affect the MCPP. That said, LC was of the opinion that this would in all likelyhood NOT apply to us due to the National Strategic Importance of the project. Make of that, what you will.Can we still expect the MCPP to be spun out ala Katoro?It will either be spun out or in all likelyhood hood, Hanetti will be spun out leaving the MCPP on its own with KIBO.If so at what point would you need to initiate this?N/A. As an aside Noel seemed very excited about Hanetti. I had the feeling more work had been going on there than they have let on possibly.Sandersons -Can you give the exact repayment date of the current 2.9m loan facility?There is no set date and this is a very fluid arrangement. The distinct impressions I got was that there is alot more commitment between all these parties towards eachother than we give them credit for. Sandersons are not there to screw KIBO over for missed dates etc. From what LC said it seems very fluid and flexible. He seemed relaxed to the point of dismissing this as any issue whatsoever.

[rubberdolly] 22/6/2017 11:32

2 Trades and so much excitement and interest

[bionictwat] 21/6/2017 23:53

UKIS 2017 KIBO NotesPolicy Changes -Can you explain the difference between the Tanzanian Energy and Policy Procurement Review that is underway, as per the recent presentation and the MEM Policy Review that is completed as per 23/3/17 RNS?These are two completely diffrent reviews. It's hard to put a linear %, in terms of how much of the TEPPR is completed but it's believed the main components have been completed and these aren't really a dealing factor to the ultimate delivery of the project. There is a gazetting process to ensure any changes don't conflict with any other laws etc before being made official.In your assessment how long will the Tanzainan Energy And Policy Procurement Review take to complete?Unable to accurately say but see above that the main bulk of the work has been completed already. So we should be on the home straight.As discussed last year, can you tell me of which, if either, KIBO have had direct input too?Yes they have had input into both of these. Therefore, I read they must have reasonable knowledge of the processes and there shaping of the future.Overall how do you expect all policy changes to benefit the MCPP?Kibo will be benefit for a more robust, solid and sustainable set of rules within the overall framework of reliability within Tanzania. I.e it will ensure all payments etc will be made as agreed which is important for a project like the MCPP which is going to, run for over 25 years.ESIA -What does the ESIA Certification process involve?Literally just a final check and a signing off process. There could be the odd question that may come back to KIBO or a confirmation of certain elements but basically it is what it is, a signing up process.Given the timelines for ESIA certification acquired by other companies, the ESIA certification for KIBO should be imminent. Is there anything else that is holding this up i.e hanging on outstanding policy changes and should we expect this any day now, by that reasoning?Yes KIBO are awaiting this to drop anytime now with nothing else holding this up.SML -Given the timelines for SML approval acquired by other companies, the SML approval for KIBO should be imminent. Is there anything else that is holding this up i.e hanging on outstanding policy changes and should we expect this any day now, by that reasoning?Again, yes KIBO are awaiting this to drop anytime now with nothing else holding this up.PPA -Given the phrases used in the RNS of the 23/3/17 of 'ensuring that a final PPA can be concluded ASAP'. Can we verify that preliminary PPA tariffs were applied to the facilitate the production of the IBFS and Financial Model?The conversation quickly negated this section of questions. LC explained that we have no figures to plug in anywhere and this method of thought is the direct opposite to what is actually happening in reality in this process. We are working this completely the other way around. We are saying what the tariff figures should be, driven from the independently produced figures via the feasibility studies completed. We have control and push negotiations to where we want them to be not the other way around. To me, this means we guarantee a profitable outcome for the project. If so, we're these preliminary PPA tarriffs agreed with Tanesco?N/AAgain, and if so, are the accuracy of these tariffs still withstanding given the policy reviews?N/AFC -Can we assume once we have an ESIA, SML and PPA we can advance straight to FC or are there any other workstreams that need completing that will hold up going to FC? Yes, although some parallel work means part of FC can already be in progress. It is possible to call a scenario of being in a Preliminary FC.Are SEPCO bound to pay you the $3.6m on entering FC or at the completion of FC?This will be on competition of FC but this is not seen to cause any problems in anyway.Will there be a news blackout during FC due to its sensitive nature?Once we reach FC, or more accurately on signing the PPA, that is when the real figures and detail can be released. LC seemed to allude on more than one occasion to look at the figures for the coal that you can workout to give a good pointer to the value that lies ahead. Therefore I don't see FC as requiring a suspension or news blackout.MCPP General -How our partners feel about the delays induced by the Government?They seem pretty understanding of the region and it's development. Obviously they have huge budgets and can outside these types of delays, so no issue here.Did Sandersons acquisition of part of the MCPP surprise you, especially vs their usual MO?LC agreed that obviously it isn't there normal line of business and that it probsbly surprised Sandersons themselves more than it did himself when they got so deeply involved. They have made a huge commitment that the believe they will benefit from.Are you any closer to knowing whether the project will be separated or integrated?No comment.What is your gut feel on which route you prefer to go down?No comment.Do you feel a 30% retention as previously alluded to is realistic or had that changed +/-?Yes this is entirely still possible and and therefore valid figure to base any calculations on.When Sandersons took their 2.5% valuing the MCPP at a discounted $100m, what was the agreed discount valued at?Although he couldn't recall the discounted figure he interesting said this value was based only on the figures from the mine. This took me back a touch as it was the complete opposite to what I expected. In fact, it may well, give rise to the fact my recent 25p a share figure for u the mine for each 300MW is too low. It puts it back to being more 35p and discounted at that !!! He must be expecting a much better price than $32.7mt for the coal being sold into the plant, imo.Can you confirm this 2.5% of the MCPP includes the mine. N/AHow does the MEN's statement that 30% of Tanzanian Mining Companies Share holding must be floated on the DSE affect all of our projects especially the MCPP?This would only affect projects that require an SML. Therfore only affect the MCPP. That said, LC was of the opinion that this would in all likelyhood NOT apply to us due to the National Strategic Importance of the project. Make of that, what you will.Can we still expect the MCPP to be spun out ala Katoro?It will either be spun out or in all likelyhood hood, Hanetti will be spun out leaving the MCPP on its own with KIBO.If so at what point would you need to initiate this?N/A. As an aside Noel seemed very excited about Hanetti. I had the feeling more work had been going on there than they have let on possibly.Sandersons -Can you give the exact repayment date of the current 2.9m loan facility?There is no set date and this is a very fluid arrangement. The distinct impressions I got was that there is alot more commitment between all these parties towards eachother than we give them credit for. Sandersons are not there to screw KIBO over for missed dates etc. From what LC said it seems very fluid and flexible. He seemed relaxed to the point of dismissing this as any issue whatsoever.

[rubberdolly] 21/6/2017 23:34

A little cooler this evening in Yorkshire so should sleep a little better tonight.Thunderstorms forecast tomorrow though so get them waterproofs out.

[rubberdolly] 21/6/2017 23:29

Where are we all meeting on the 29th please ?

[rubberdolly] 21/6/2017 23:25

Most people agreeing with me then that LC cannot take this any further time for a change so let's replace the bulldozer.