Helical Share Discussion Threads

[buzzee] 15/5/2008 12:27

The chart looks very bearish. It broken major support at 330 plus it broken out from the weekly pennant that has been forming since end of last year. Target price 200-180.

[typo56] 02/4/2008 08:25

Helical Bar is promoted into the FTSE 250 index on Friday 4 April I believe.

[miss womble] 01/4/2008 10:41

M T Glass
Sorry, you are quite right, it is FPO not FTO. I have now amended it. This not in any way a ramp, why dont you have a look at todays trading update from them, then it becomes a company that you can assess, not a ramp. Besides, have you never made any money from "a pennyshare tiddler". A company that has £270 million under management and expects a profit rise from £1.2M to £6 m this year demands some attention even though its capitalisation is a mere £21 million. If you wish to trade this company you will find that the spread is considerably less than the 10% you quoted and which is shown on the ADVFN board. I apologise if you think this was a ramp but if you do not wish to be alerted to some opportunities you dont have to take any notice. Good luck MW

[m.t.glass] 01/4/2008 09:53

"..Rather than risk your money on a short, have a look at First Property (FTO)..."


MW - if you are going to ramp something it might help to get the right ticker - FTO is Fortune Oil. First property is FPO (a pennyshareland tiddler - currently rising but with a 10% spread).

;o)

[miss womble] 01/4/2008 09:40

Rather than risk your money on a short, have a look at First Property (FPO). It has just produced a preliminary forecast of their results and they look nothing short of fantastic. BUT DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH. Regards to all, MW

[buzzee] 28/3/2008 11:38

Just shorted HLCL.
The chart looks very bearish and just touched resistance at 380, my target is around 230. YES! 230.
We are in one of the worst bear markets of the past 30 years! We are not going anywhere near the highs for this year or the next.

[nickcduk] 06/1/2008 18:31

I used to be puzzled about why HLCL traded at such a premium to NAV when the sector was trading at a large discount. Having done some proper research recently I can understand why. HLCL is the best run property company on the market. Its shareholder returns over the last 20 years have been phenomenal.

Over the last 20 years it has returned an average of 19.2% per annum. That means a £1k invested 20 years ago would now be worth £33,500. Considering that takes us back through the property crash of the early 90's its an exceptional performance. The past 15 years have returned 29.5% per annum. The listed real estate sector has returned 10.8% and 16% per annum over the 2 time frames. UK equities as a whole returned around 10.5% per annum.

It is no wonder that HLCL deserves a premium rating versus its peers. It's management have a proven track record of significantly outperforming the rest of the sector. It would be no surprise if they continued to do so going forward.

[cerrito] 05/1/2008 22:44

Got and read this link from Jonwig's REIT thread:

movers_and_shakers/article3107439.ece
On the basis of scant contact I have had with Slade I imagine he should do well in this context and have had a look at latest interims.
with 30907 nav at 323p compared to current share price of 300p not all that appealing nor was half year to 907 eps of 13p, even though I note development profits at £4.3m were much lower than the £11.9m of the previous half year.
I guess they have more financial flexibility than alot of their competitors-with £25m of cash and £75m of unused banking facilities and so merit further study. I see from
that the planning appeal for the Great Alne planning appeal was dismissed.
My reading is that Fidelity increased their stake in December and that Aberdeen Property UT increased their's in August...would be good to know percentage of shares held by potentially cash strapped property unit trusts.

[m.t.glass] 26/11/2007 10:37

Results due this Thursday. I too am currently short.

[hectorp] 12/11/2007 19:41

Mr Burns suggested that this share had held up well relative to peer group.
I agree with him as I am also short BDEV most days.

[sandbank] 08/11/2007 09:10

Not much sign of life in the sp

[sarscars] 07/11/2007 19:08

i have been topping up my shares recently so i can get in again before results out in the next few weeks ' filling me boots as they say on those large falls in recent weeks ' looking good !!

[only who?] 07/11/2007 11:59

Looking at the chart, this seems a risky short, but Burns must have his reasons...

[insideryou] 05/11/2007 16:38

robbi burns of naked trader fame has just gone short on this.. He seems to have an uncanny knack of knowing certain things most do not. will watch with interest.

[sarscars] 03/11/2007 07:01

great tradng company ' shares allways bounces back ' looks like excellent set of results out this month

[maiseymouse] 07/6/2007 12:11

some interesting thoughts

[5bertie] 27/8/2005 22:49

Short, short, and short again.
Greetings

[charlie] 21/12/2004 15:50

Doing very well. Dirctors bought £350k of shares recently...although they'll be getting £130k straight back in the cash return, along with everyone else.

Anyone know more about this comment in The Guardian 18/12/04?....

Helical Bar gained 25p to £10.95 on trader talk that the property company has unearthed a further £40m of cash which it can return to shareholders. Last month Helical put flesh on the bones of its cash return plans saying it would hand back up to £111m and launch a share reorganisation, granting five new ordinary shares for every eight existing shares held by investors.

[m.t.glass] 09/5/2003 13:46

Good fun, this bungee jumping :-)

Sure is bouncing sharply today.

[m.t.glass] 06/3/2003 11:33

Helical spiralling down now..

[m.t.glass] 05/3/2003 16:10

Dropped through its 640p support level today. Next serious support not until 545p. Anyone else short?

I remember them from way back when they did what their name says - they supplied twisted steel rod for reinforcing concrete. Before they turned to property. Strange the way companies who needn't change their names do so, and those who should don't.

A medium sized (£187m) property development and investment company.... operates across all fields of the UK real estate market... has two business streams: It is one of the largest developers of office and retail space in the UK... also actively manages a substantial investment portfolio of commercial properties... turned itself into a property company in 1984, when Michael Slade, the now managing director joined the company... McNair Scott joined as Finance Director a year later.

Has proved to be a very good investment at times since then. I have held some myself, and may well do so again some day. But not immune to market forces; the share price is now back to where it was in May 1998, and falling. (EDIT: Share price found a firm floor a few weeks after this thread started, marking an end to that shorting opportunity)

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