Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[the prophet] 30/1/2017 16:53

perhaps as Uni of Manchester is a VRS shareholder they have to be careful not to ramp VRS!

[shavian] 30/1/2017 16:45

It's curious that VRS did not get a mention in the article, especially given that Matthew Partridge interviewed James Baker of NGI, and considering the close links between VRS, UOM and NGI. It's almost as if VRS is being kept under wraps.He points to HAYD and AGM as being leading companies in the commercialisation of graphene, which as we have it from SG1's research they are nowhere near Versarien in the consolidation of IP and manufacturing components to produce a real graphene 'hub' company. This must be known to James Baker yet he chooses not to emphasise it to the Money Week man.Strange. Any ideas why?

[superg1] 30/1/2017 16:42

Hunting around I spotted Mclaren have linked up with a US company no doubt for their 3D printimg capabilities.

[rogerbridge] 30/1/2017 15:26

The Moneyweek article is from 27.1.2017

[simon templar qc] 30/1/2017 15:19

I don't suppose anyone watched the North West news recently in respect of the following link:

[superg1] 30/1/2017 13:54

An obvious topic but an interesting, timing makes me curious as it's form last year (CEO retweet)

[superg1] 30/1/2017 13:21

As said I'm expecting something relevant to VRS via such routes in the near future.

I stay vague so to be on the safe side of communication channels.

[spike_1] 30/1/2017 12:58

Thanks Prophet, yes you are right it is new, I couldn't believe that there was no mention whatsoever of VRS - but no matter, we know what we've got.

Best wishes - Mike

[superg1] 30/1/2017 12:44

Level 2 going the other way now with just a few sells. Good to have churn albeit at low levels for now.

Unfortunately due to too much digging I can't buy any more at the moment.

[superg1] 30/1/2017 12:32

I'm expecting more on graphene from that direction.

[the prophet] 30/1/2017 12:15

looks recent to me?....

[the prophet] 30/1/2017 12:13

spike, I was sent the article and was told it was this weeks or last weeks edition, but I can't verify that.

[superg1] 30/1/2017 12:07

Thanks TP

Now I know the reason for the volume surge for AGM, some blind buying on that article.

Some good comments in there but again some clear indicators that those supposedly looking at it have missed an awful lot.

So t will be interesting when VRS becomes widely known. EG when they talk of the big players now starting to snap some up to catch up then all you need to know about VRS is that potentially few layer GNP production has been achieved and to scale it up[ it's just maths not necessarily a related technology barrier.

I understand Sony took a alb idea on the CVD side and spent a packet on a scaled up factory unit to find it didn't work.

VRS is modular, the more modules you add then you get a relative increase in production. Then there is the option if it works to go for bigger modules.

EG 1 module for an amount of return and next size up 4 times the return with a similar opex base bus as scaled up overall opex costs come down.

I've been vague there but it's the type of question I took time to ask and so understand the nature of what is going on when they say doubled or tripled production.

Original production claims were based on 8 hour days 5 days per week. If demand is higher as it was they could add a unit and increase shifts or days.

If potentially units to go 4 fold, 2 shifts 5 days, then for no material relative staff change you have now (all things being equal) expanded 16 fold.

An AGM 24/7 rate on enhanced modules x 2 gives a 38 fold increase.

So as I say it's maths assuming all things being equal on scale up.

Obviously being modular they can scale up based on supply demand. Demand in recent times has been restricted by supply capabilities. There is an awful lot of junk out there that has left end users deflated on the hype, but they have been using hyped up junk which is graphene but has been called graphene.

It's the lack of knowledge by end users BUT as we know VRS have just started the path showing that their graphene is real few layer graphene and it's proven to work.

They will stand out as the weeks and months go by and already have done via that order.

Can anyone mass produce high quality few layer GNPs, yes they can and it's VRS. Anyone could approach VRS to licence it and they can produce as much as they like depending on how much they want to spend or what their demand is.

The lack of knowledge was the driver to dig in here, research and wait patiently for things to unfold.

I'm now wondering if uni spin out chasing fund will seek to get a position in VRS once they realise what VRS have.

[spike_1] 30/1/2017 11:45

Prophet: I'm pretty sure that is an old article.
Best wishes - Mike

[the prophet] 30/1/2017 11:35

I understand this article appeared in Money week

Graphene is 200 times stronger than steel and more conductive than silicon. Matthew Partridge investigates how to profit from it.

It was a roll of sticky tape that helped Andre Geim and Konstantin Novoselov at the University of Manchester win the Nobel Prize for physics in 2010 – and usher in the development of a new material that may change the world. The two researchers stuck tape onto blocks of graphite – the material used as “lead” in pencils – and peeled it off to remove very thin layers of graphite. They then stuck more tape on top of the tape and peeled it off, to produce an even thinner layer. After repeating this many times, they dissolved the tape in solvent, ending up with layers just an atom thick.

In the process, they solved a problem that researchers had been wrestling with for several decades. A block of graphite consists of individual layers of carbon atoms arranged in a honeycomb pattern, with each layer held together with its neighbours by weak bonds that allow them to be easily separated or slide over each other. Scientists studying graphite had long been interested in producing single layers of graphite – which are known as graphene – but had been unable to do so in a way that did not affect the structure.

The breakthrough by Geim and Novoselov, which happened in 2004, allowed the properties of graphene to be studied for the first time. And subsequent research showed that it had several remarkable properties. It is more than 200 times stronger than the comparable weight of steel. It is very good at conducting both heat and electricity.

It has high lubricity, which means it is very good at reducing friction. It’s transparent, flexible and impermeable. This all means that it could have a vast range of applications. Imagine computers that were hundreds, or thousands, of times faster than today’s fastest models, or bridges made up of layers as thin as paper. Some have even speculated that graphene could be used to build a lightweight elevator into space, doing away with the need for rockets. While some of these ideas may be more science fiction than reality, it’s clear that the material has huge potential.

Starting from a blank slate
Commercialisation of that potential remains some way off. The whole industry is “starting from a blank canvas”, says Jon Mabbitt, the chief executive officer of Applied Graphene Materials, one of the leading companies in the field. There are two main challenges in turning research into graphene into commercial applications. The first is extracting (or producing) graphene at a commercially viable price.

The second is to combine the individual layers of graphene produced in a way that can create much larger structures without affecting the core properties of the material. Hence he sees its greatest short-term potential in the areas that don’t require a huge mass. Devising paints and coating that can increase both the strength and water resistance of an item is one area. Another is making better lubricants that can reduce friction, cutting down on wear and tear, and therefore increasing the lifespan of components.

A third area of application is in making composites more robust. Indeed, one sub-sector that has been an early adopter of the technology is the sporting-goods industry: for example, graphene is being added to fishing rods in order to make them more robust.

Fishing rods and paints may seem small steps compared with dreams of elevators into the sky, but Mabbitt is quick to emphasise that these are only the tip of the iceberg. Over the past decade, a large number of companies have started to enter the area, and those who have started to use graphene in their products are finding “very rapid adoption benefits”. There are also indications that it has a huge amount of potential in transport and aeronautics, where demand is high for materials that can maintain performance while drastically reducing weight.

Five years away from the mainstream
Others involved in the area are even more optimistic about the near-term prospects for the commercialisation of graphene. Products that use the material have already started to enter the market, but “not on an enormous scale”, says James Tour, professor of chemistry, materials science, nano-engineering and computer science at Rice University in Houston, Texas, who holds the third-largest number of graphene-related patents in the world. However, within the next two years this trickle is likely to become a flood as companies become more confident with the technology.
Within five years we should reach a tipping point where increased awareness of graphene’s potential means that it will become a major component of many products.

In some cases, graphene will replace established materials, he says. For example, the touchscreen displays in smartphones use an indium tin oxide coating. The problem is that indium tin oxide is not only relatively expensive, but global supplies are limited. The electronics giant Samsung, which has been funding a huge amount of research in South Korea, is now starting to use graphene as a substitute material. Not only does this reduce costs, but it also improves performance, since indium isn’t that flexible. Even where graphene isn’t a complete replacement, it still can be used in conjunction with other materials to improve performance.

For example, graphene is unlikely completely to replace silicon in transistors, because it doesn’t have a “band gap” (put as simply as possible, this means that the electrons in graphene are structured in a way that means you can’t vary the current passing through it, which is a problem given that’s how you control electrical circuits). However, if you add even a small amount of graphene to silicon you can dramatically improve conductivity. This improves the processing power of computer chips. Similarly, batteries that have graphene in them have a longer lifespan than those without, as well as allowing lithium batteries to deal with higher temperatures.

Tour also sees substantial progress in the production of graphene. For example, Samsung has developed ways to grow significant amounts of high-quality material at high temperature. In cases where the quality of the graphene isn’t so important, there have been significant reductions in the production costs. Dotz Nano, a firm with which Tour works, has devised ways to use coal to produce graphene-based “quantum dots” (tiny particles a few nanometres wide that have different properties to larger particles). Even the cheapest graphite from China costs $800 per ton, but coal can be as little as $10 per ton, meaning a huge reduction in costs.

Commercial interest in graphene is approaching a tipping point, says James Baker, business director of the National Graphene Institute (NGI) at the University of Manchester. The NGI was set up with funding from the UK government and the European Union to make sure that scientific discoveries in this field were exploited by business as quickly as possible – in contrast to, say, carbon fibre, where commercialisation of research took much longer because “the scientific discoveries stayed within academia for the first decade”.

Initially, Baker was mostly working with start-up companies, as the bigger firms were “slow to engage”, but that’s now changing. “With near term applications coming to market, their interest and involvement is increasing,” he says, reeling off an impressive list of corporate partners from small British firms, such as Haydale and Thomas Swan, to huge engineering groups such as Rolls-Royce and Siemens.

Baker is particularly enthusiastic about the level of interest from the aerospace industry. Previously, the sector had seen graphene solely as “a long-term investment” rather than an immediate priority, he says, but firms now see an opportunity to save large amount of time and money by building better tools that could cut manufacturing times. The NGI is working with firms such as Airbus and BAE.

But despite the entry of these larger firms, Baker thinks that there is still a “role for all types of company”, including start-ups, in commercialising graphene. Indeed, several bigger firms are trying to make up for lost ground by snapping up the smaller players.

What’s the potential?
While graphene may be exciting, it remains niche for now, cautions Paul Lee, head of global research at Deloitte, a consultancy. He estimates that the size of market is still in the tens of millions and will possibly grow to more than $100m by the end of the decade. As relatively new technology, it is prone to overblown claims, he says: for example, the idea of “producing graphene in your kitchen” as one firm has trumpeted, is correct “only if that kitchen has a laboratory attached”. In short, investors shouldn’t get carried away yet.

Nonetheless, the markets for the materials that graphene is attempting to complement or substitute entirely are vast and may give an idea of its long-term potential if the technology is widely taken up. Composites such as carbon fibre are one of the key opportunities, say both Baker and Mabbitt. The global market for carbon fibre reached $2.15bn in 2015, and is growing at a rate of around 10%-13% a year, according to the German Federation of Reinforced Plastics. The total carbon composites market reached $17.9bn in 2015 and is also expanding quickly.

Paints and lubricants could be another key area. For example, the global paints and coatings market is worth $128bn, and expected to hit $173bn by 2020, a growth rate of around 6% a year, according to PS Market Research, while the global lubricants market will be worth $68bn a year within the next five years, according to Grand View Research. But perhaps the biggest single sector where graphene have a significant impact is the global semiconductor industry, which is worth $354bn a year, according to PwC. Quantum dots hold particular promise. BCC predicts that global sales of these should reach $3.4bn by 2021.

Finally, there is the strong possibility that demand for graphene could develop in ways no one could expect. “Our own bias is always to try to apply new materials and discoveries to existing problems and applications,” says Tomas Palacios, a professor at MIT. When Herbert Kroemer invented the semiconductor laser, nobody knew that a few decades later it would enable the optical fibre and the internet, he points out. “The extreme properties of graphene and other two-dimensional materials will enable similar breakthroughs.”;

Five ways to invest in graphene
Firms such as Samsung Electronics and Airbus could be beneficiaries of graphene technology. Samsung is planning to incorporate graphene in a wide range of products, starting with smartphones and high-end televisions. Airbus is working to use graphene to produce lighter, tougher composites for its planes that can reduce total fuel costs and increase safety.

However, while you could make an investment case for both these stocks and many similar companies, their fortunes depend on far more than the commercialisation of graphene. If you want to invest directly in the sector, it inevitably means looking at small, early-stage companies, most of which are still loss-making. So it goes without saying that this only suitable for investors who are willing to take risks with a small part of their portfolio.

As more universities and companies spend time and money researching graphene, they will have to spend money on sophisticated tools to do so. CVD Equipment (Nasdaq: CVV) makes equipment that puts chemicals onto very thin layers of film. This is used in the production of solar cells, semiconductors and coatings. CVV makes a specialised range of machines that are used to produce graphene, under the brand name First Nano. It trades at around 15 times current earnings.

CVD Equipment share price chart

Haydale (Aim: HAYD) is a specialist in processing and handling graphene and similar materials, while its subsidiary, Haydale Composite Solutions, is involved in the production of composite materials. It is loss-making, but there is a chance that it might turn a profit for the first time later this year. It has recently begun negotiating agreements with other companies, such as Huntsman Advanced Materials and FlowtiteTechnology, to incorporate graphene into their products.

Applied Graphene Materials (Aim: AGM), run by Jon Mabbitt, was spun out of research at the University of Durham. It both produces its own graphene powder and works with other firms who want to use graphene in their products. Its main collaboration so far is with a fishing rod manufacturer, but it is working with a marine coatings firm, James Briggs, which is due to launch a graphene-based product later this year.

Like Haydale, AGM is currently not making a profit, but a successful secondary offering means that it has plenty of cash in hand. Regular MoneyWeek contributor Dr Mike Tubbs recommends listed venture capital firm IP Group (Aim: IPO), which holds large stakes in a wide range of university spinouts, including AGM.

Finally, Dotz Nano (Sydney: DTZ) uses coal to produce graphene quantum dots. It has research partnerships with Rice University, where James Tour, its chief scientific advisor, works, and with Ben-Gurion University in Israel. This month it concluded a marketing and sales deal with Strem Chemicals, which should help it sell its products around the world. Like Haydale and AGM it is running at a loss.

[superg1] 30/1/2017 10:35

Cambridge acquisition share issue triggered that, no change in holding.

[theklf] 30/1/2017 10:11

A non-event Holdings RNS

[luckyorange] 30/1/2017 09:28

Is it the long awaited re-rate on the cards, a break through 14p would be good?

[superg1] 30/1/2017 09:09

No kidding then they weren't willing to let them go in that early price range.

It would be nice to get some news now on some bits I think are pending.

[spike_1] 30/1/2017 09:06

I think there is negligible supply at this level (so far). There hasn't been any significant selling for the last three trading days (as I recollect - haven't checked it).

Best wishes - Mike

[superg1] 30/1/2017 08:30

WHIS were on the offer at 25k market size, 1 10k buy and they left the bid ???.

MMs kidding us or has the supply become very tight?

[spike_1] 30/1/2017 08:26

Thanks handy!

[superg1] 30/1/2017 08:16

Very early days of course but I'm wondering if someone took the stock off them and hence they are back for more.

[superg1] 30/1/2017 08:14

Well that has to be Winters most brief time on the offer I have seen on VRS and no obvious volume to suggest they got rid of the ones they collected while on the bid previously.