Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[aquaesulis01] 11/1/2020 18:17

Loglorry, let's not split hairs, true the Independent Verification has to be paid for but the certificate cannot be bought.

You also missed a vital part of the verification exercise; the proven ability to produce against specifications at commercial scale!

"Terrance Barkan, Executive Director of The Graphene Council, commented: "Successful commercialisation of graphene materials requires not only the ability to produce graphene to a declared specification, but to be able to do so at a commercial scale. It is nearly impossible for a graphene customer to verify the type of material they are receiving without going through an expensive and time-consuming process of having sample materials fully characterised by a laboratory that has the equipment and expertise to test graphene.
"The Verified Graphene Producer programme developed by The Graphene Council provides a level of independent inspection and verification that is not available anywhere else."
"We are pleased to have worked with the National Physical Laboratory (NPL) in the UK, regarded as one of the absolute top facilities for metrology and graphene characterisation in the world. They have provided outstanding analytical expertise for the materials testing portion of the Programme."

[luckyorange] 11/1/2020 18:12

Did club really write that did he lol. Next thing he will be asking for an invite to the shorters chat room, go on Ian , go for it. Like a TV drama on here delusion creeping in and needs to get back on the medication, PRG had more of an impact than suspected and probable PTSD.

[scrutable] 11/1/2020 17:45

Fest. My apologies then for misunderstanding, I believed you to imply the word did not exist.

[scrutable] 11/1/2020 17:21

calm down fest. It is not stupid not to know the meaning of a word - even if, as you claim, " after 50 years on this planet" you have not yet met it. Perhaps illiterate? inexperienced ? incurious ? or or infantile? .......but not stupid.

It is however very stupid to write the paragraph you did without bothering to look the word up in an on-line dictionary.

[bobsworth] 11/1/2020 17:19

Yes, the classic example of VRS’s, high quality and production capabilities where highlighted recently by them being chosen for the Airbus lead graphene flagship project that is focussed on graphene enhanced thermoelectric ice protection systems.

As pointed out by mikebrenner just look at what VRS had to achieve to meet their very high standards!

1. Graphene to meet ISO standards (Only company in world that could do this!)
2. Able to produce 10/kg of graphene per month now. Yes now!
3. Provide extensive proof to expand production quickly to 10 tonnes per annum.
4. Achieve commercially viable price points (data based on performance of heating across different materials)
5. Prove their graphene inks works via spray gun deposition.
6. Ability to prototype, test and integrate heating elements and sensor elements into components. Note sensor aswell!

The need to produce 10/kg of graphene a month now just points to orders (paid by the project grant money) not being too far away!

Shareholders that have done their research know VRS is the only independently verified graphene producer that can deliver all the graphene associated needs of this world leading project.

The partnership spin offs from this spearhead project will be big too!

The naysayers know it too! Yet they say Neil has achieved nothing!!!

Hence, why they never bash a bad share and are now having to work overtime to bash this very promising share down to achieve their sordid motives.

Anyone would think they are running out of time!

[flatcoat1] 11/1/2020 17:18

The amount of posts he has done I don't think he's left his pc this year. Probably eating take aways and using a bucket as a toilet so as not to miss any posts.Talk about having no life

[nellyb] 11/1/2020 17:04

Clubsandwich - "Log - if you are TW or if you know him, can you ask him if he got the email I sent to editorial@shareprophets the other day?

Time to bring this farce to an end. DM me."
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First you email the fsa, now its TW. Who next if he ignores you, boris johnson? i reckon neill ricketts must be shaking in his boots.

[luckyorange] 11/1/2020 16:55

Back on the serious stuff I was told some time ago that when the nanene is produced apparently out of the graphite supplied for every 100 grams processed 60% will be nanene and 40% FLG which of course is not possible but 59/39 would be a great result by any standard and bloody impressive.

That cuts down running time I would think and seems to be a very cost effective process.

[luckyorange] 11/1/2020 16:50

Remembering someone saying who is Aecom? I was wondering what is discord and quickly checked google as I am not in something like that, but will show the results:

"Discord is a free voice, video and text chat app for teens and adults ages 13 and up. It was created to bring people together through a love of gaming. Teens can access Discord via their PC, browser, or mobile phone."

"Discord is the strife and tension that arises when two sides disagree on something, like the high-pitched screaming of two kids fighting over the front seat of the car."

Says it all for me , you have the gamers who are the biggest hackers by miles and try to fool each other by producing different avatars and hack each others accounts or to settle disagreements as above.

Someone making a lot of noise apparently but to take it seriously would be just plain daft, someone had over methinks lol. Have they sold them all yet ;)?

[grabster] 11/1/2020 16:48

"The person who says it cannot be done, should not interrupt the person doing it."
(Chinese proverb)

[grabster] 11/1/2020 16:45

".. someone is putting in overtime I can only assume they are desperate to close their short soon before a big order lands.." (cf)



Naysayers' influence is minimal. Their posts rarely garner more than a small handful of upticks (from their entire tiny gang I presume), whereas well-worded positive observations often bring upticks from two dozen or more of this thread's readership.

evergreen8's post 88688 (accessible via the header at present) now has more than 65 upticks. The naysayers spend hours typing disinformation and mischievous untruths but are consistently outplayed. Pitiful people of no importance.

[luckyorange] 11/1/2020 16:24

Haven't heard of any going through the independent verification process phoenix apart from VRS.

Maybe some have tried and failed, no way of knowing that. I would say that the most difficult part would be for anyone wishing that verification to supply an amount for verification from the production process.

A random sample would be scary for some with the claims made I am sure and would depend on what level of verification they are going for. CVD players should be fairly straightforward for verification but is so bloody expensive anyway that there is no advantage currently.

Paragraf are claiming commercial quantity processes in that area and have a big lump of money to go ahead with their experimentation but that relates to semi-conductors.

Don't know the quality that Directa supplies but would have thought they would go for verification if they have confidence in their product.

There is more than one verification level and in my book 'graphene like' in certain areas is fine so long as it improves the product.

However, Airbus and aerospace will only want a verified product hence the Graphene Flagship GICE project could only choose Versarien and as said before all aerospace projects from light aircraft and helicopters would be signposted to Versarien first. I suspect that Airbus are not only looking at the de icing project though and are so big that they could take out VRS with some of their R&D budget if they wanted to.

MOD with the military aircraft stuff does make you wonder if they have any interest, don't seem to at present but they will want verified products within certain tolerances etc as even supplying timber to them requires a product with an unattainable std deviation for... tanks to run over !

I am expecting something from the UK gov regarding graphene (rightly or wrongly) and keeping eyes peeled for any development there as they turn around the level of investment in the country. Aecom and their planned upgrading of signalling equipment will be a good start. Don't know what the concrete is all about as there are so many applications there so looking forward to finding out what that is.

Rambling a bit but the oil and gas sounds particularly interesting and would guess that it has saved a lot of time and money in the testing and the company that has done that will be looking to save and add to their bottom line. Not only by saving time with the product but to do more with the equipment they have by reducing downtime so will be a winner for them.

The link and end of testing with MAS is a great opportunity .

[clint fleecewood] 11/1/2020 16:23

Well by the way someone is putting in overtime I can only assume they are desperate to close their short soon before a big order lands. You are going in ever decreasing circles Loggy, but fair play to you, you are putting the hours in.

[phoenixs] 11/1/2020 16:16

Simple really. Versarien Graphene meets the independent verification which others have not met. QED. No matter how much a company would pay will not give them the verification.

[1teepee] 11/1/2020 16:02

That's just dementia;)

[loglorry1] 11/1/2020 15:54

"Independent verification is not paid for. It is achieved by having the product which meets the criteria set by the independent body. It is nothing but a lie to suggest that Versarien achieved the verification by paying for it."

Actually this is totally incorrect. You pay The Graphene Council a fee (I was told around £20K) plus any costs for testing and provide them with access and samples and your specification sheet. They test that your process produces graphene to the specification you say it does. If you don't believe this then please contact Terrance Barkin who will give you the low down on this.

It is certainly NOT what you say "meets the criteria set by the independent body". It tests that the graphene (nanene in this case I think) meets the Nanene tech sheet.

I really can't see the value other than in PR. Any serious graphene producer would fall at the first hurdle anyway on a project if they couldn't even meet their own specification.

[club sandwich] 11/1/2020 15:51

Log - if you are TW or if you know him, can you ask him if he got the email I sent to editorial@shareprophets the other day?

Time to bring this farce to an end. DM me.

[loglorry1] 11/1/2020 15:48

In response to Logs comment that the fact that IP protection has been one of the reasons an agreement has not yet been reached is material and should have been shared publicly. It was! On numerous occasions including in the AGM which I attended and heard first hand

It has to be in an RNS. A statement at an AGM meeting is not public. Anything price sensitive which is released at and AGM meeting has to be released in an RNS beforehand.

Thanks for confirming that VRS has been releasing price sensitive info at AGM meetings and elsewhere outwith an official RNS. I guess we all knew that anyway. It seems its the way he operates sadly.

[alchemy] 11/1/2020 15:39

I am too kind to comment .

[festario] 11/1/2020 15:14

Scrutable, I am certainly too stupid to know the meaning of the word 'vituperation'. I have never heard or seen it during my half a century on this planet.Even the spell checker on my iPad tried to amend it to something else. Apple guys are stupid too.