Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[loglorry1] 14/11/2019 16:08

@schamlly yep I've accepted a range of prices. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and doubled the average price to $100/kg for Nanene (not that there seems any evidence that one should).

The mad thing about your cognative bias is that some of the bulls think it should be £2,000/kg. I see you are unable to commit to a number though preferring to just sit on the fence.

So still waiting for you to point out an example of me misleading anyone with misinformation. I know you keep saying you've done it before but you haven't. Just saying you have doesn't make it so. Let's have a specific example? Try to use just a few words. It will help you to try to be concise in life if you can.

While we are here I'll just pick up a corker from you in a post just a few moments ago:-


Considering Aecom now have a fully developed Arch, ready for global launch requiring a bespoke graphene infused polymer....

THIS IS TOTALLY UNTRUE. They have a test ongoing where they have a prototype 3D printed arch that has some graphene in it. It is still being tested. They have not made any decision as far as I can see to put this into production and concluding that it is fully developed is just a big fat LIE.

Try looking at yourself before calling other people liars perhaps?

[jointer13] 14/11/2019 16:08

bobsworth... we have moved on a bit since then

"I can confirm that advanced discussions have now been held with the intent to sign a formal commercial partnership in the near future."

As reported on the 26 July 2019, the Company had signed a Letter of Intent with its Asian based textile partner. I can confirm that advanced discussions have now been held with the intent to sign a formal commercial partnership in the near future. In addition, a year-long trial of a new graphene delivery method into textiles at Leeds University has now been successfully completed, with results which show significant improvements in tensile strength and thermal conductivity through the addition of our graphene. This development will allow us to expedite further commercial trials in both consumer and industrial textile applications with our current partners in these sectors.

[club sandwich] 14/11/2019 16:08

No collabs have failed - but none have moved to commercialisation either, have they? (earbuds aside)

Which is odd, when you think how very many of them there are/were...

[1teepee] 14/11/2019 15:55

Just so you know, you asked that yesterday. Getting a bit of the old brain fog?

[festario] 14/11/2019 15:52

Bobsworth.No collaborations have failed, but there are, or were, dozens of them.I accept that none failed, but some might have come to a natural end.After all, VRS have only so much technical manpower to spread over all these collaborations and the NDAs.So, I assume that some collaborations been through their entire process, get little or no attention these days, and are just on the shelf.No formal RNS necessary, they just ran their course.

[bobsworth] 14/11/2019 15:48

Coming Soon I hope!

VRS’s first deal with it’s Global Apparel Manufacturer (Asian HQ)

Goal is to introduce graphene enhanced high performance sportswear to the market.

So far!
8 January 2018 VRS announced a Collaboration agreement with this Company.
This collaboration involved independent tests carried out in the UK involving the incorporation of graphene into textiles via fabric finishes using Versarien's graphene ink technology developed by the company's subsidiary, Cambridge Graphene Limited.
The testing has demonstrated that the incorporation of Versarien's graphene inks into the textiles provides several potential benefits to a user of garments made from them, including enhanced thermal and moisture properties.
As a result of this successful testing on the 26 July 2019 VRS signed a Letter of Intent ("LOI") with the Company's textile sector collaboration partner (the Partner') covering the initial launch of high-performance sportswear incorporating Versarien's graphene ink technology.
To achieve this launch, they are now undergoing further product development across different textiles and graphene delivery methods.
Further wearer trials are also underway with several well-known global sports brands, along with other Partner customers.
VRS is very confident that these further wearer trials will validate the number of significant benefits that the addition of their graphene can bring high performance sportswear.
Their goal now is to introduce graphene enhanced high performance sportswear to the market as soon as possible."

3.5 months on!?

So, 3.5 months (2,520 total hours) on from the signed letter of intent ("LOI") announcement how close are they to achieving their goal?

Well knowing most wearer trials can take up to 200 hours of testing per garment type, they must be getting very close now to achieving their goal!

All bodes well I think & remember!

So far, no collaborations have failed & to date and we have had no bad news!

[schmally] 14/11/2019 15:46

I've finished for the day now bbm. It's been fun

I've told you before, it's "Smelly" with a capital S

[bbmsionlypostafter] 14/11/2019 15:43

Stop talking for a while schmelly.

TIA.

[schmally] 14/11/2019 15:42

Loggy, I'm glad you mentioned Terrance Barkan.

In a presentation by the Graphene Council just last month, Terrance stated the following:

"There is a wide range of prices and they are HIGHLY NEGOTIABLE. There's not an existing market for graphene, so it's not like we have transparent market signals for what the price should be"

These are his exact words, not mine.

Next...

[pshevlin] 14/11/2019 15:39

Fair enough Lucky. Thanks Clubbie.

[adejuk] 14/11/2019 15:28

come on neill. xmas prezzy pl.

[club sandwich] 14/11/2019 15:22

pshevlin - very well put.

[schmally] 14/11/2019 15:16

bbm, So I can only assume you have extended the age old conundrum, of whether a falling tree makes any sound if nobody sees it, to:

Do any examples of misinformation exist if nobody reads the posts with examples in them?? That's deep man!!

[schmally] 14/11/2019 15:09

loggy,

Your "Clue 2" comment is an immediate example of you deliberately misinterpreting what I said and presenting it as something else.

However, I'll give you the benefit of my response regardless.

Considering Aecom now have a fully developed Arch, ready for global launch requiring a bespoke graphene infused polymer, which would have required VRS expertise, consultancy, joint testing, analysis, etc, one can only conclude that this totally disproves your statement that VRS have no staff to provide these services.

I very much doubt Aecom would have progressed the arch from concept to reality, if VRS had simply sent them a small container of nanene with a good luck message.

Next....

[bbmsionlypostafter] 14/11/2019 15:05

So, no misinfo posted then.

Where are the sales, where's the money?

[luckyorange] 14/11/2019 15:01

Put it to good use then pshevlin and find something VRS or graphene related that is worthy of discussion instead of the usual....

[schmally] 14/11/2019 14:57

Loggy, I can only assume you have failed to read any of my posts over the past fortnight specifically identifying misleading statements you have made or incidences where you have misquoted myself and others.

I have tried to be as clear as possible to avoid these types of challenges, but I can't compensate for your laziness or lack of attention I'm afraid.

[loglorry1] 14/11/2019 14:52

John, I agree that they will never stop posting misinformation,

And yet I've challenged you several times to point any such "misinformation" and you can't. I'm still waiting. Waiting for an order to drop. Waiting for you to give me some indication of what price you think Nanene can sell at?

Clue 2: A waffle about how VRS will add substantial value by selling consultancy with their product, while they have no staff to provide that consultancy, is not acceptable.

[scottishfield] 14/11/2019 14:46

I feel a cartoon to that effect (post 83368) coming on Roger?

[schmally] 14/11/2019 14:39

Loggy,

Your assumption that VRS should quote transparent costs, simply illustrates that you view them as a commodity supplier. They aren't and won't be for some while.

You don't seem to be able to grasp that VRS don't just provide the material, they provide added value services in relation to how materials should be used or incorporated into end products and provide expertise to help clients formulate the best mix of materials, testing and analysis, as well as being involved higher up the supply chain for certain applications and products, such as polygrene.

Any fees/charges they negotiate will price in the added value of these additional services and expertise, plus ongoing customer support. By comparing this to graphene producers who simply provide containers of a specific material at £x per kilo, displays a high degree of ignorance. It's the huge variation in services and the bespoking of the material to suit end products that will dictate pricing. not simply the amount of material.

[senden11] 14/11/2019 14:38

pshevlin, "class", "intellect", call it what you like, but you are certainly confirming yours on a minute by minute basis.

[luckyorange] 14/11/2019 14:36

Yes pshevlin, all about class

This is class

[rheumking] 14/11/2019 14:21

Schmally
Hats off to you for your ongoing battle with the trolls who are a bunch of parasites it has to be said .
I see the arches as providing a source of profit probably not huge initially but further international orders should follow.
More important to my mind is demonstration of successful product with a large construction company meaning we will be the go to guys for future projects which will be more lucrative. All about laying the foundations as it were .