Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[bbmsionlypostafter] 29/6/2019 21:40

1retirement.

"Good old SharePhallus, can always be relied upon to print something erroneous and misleading".

1r, can you tell us specifically what is erroneous and misleading in the share price article?

TIA.

[amt] 29/6/2019 21:08

Superg1. Why dont you think the graphene cost is going to be at least 100usd per gram. If that's the cost then the selling price will be many times higher.

[1teepee] 29/6/2019 20:15

I can't believe you actually bothered to write that much

[superg1] 29/6/2019 20:06

Scrutable

My point with Redt as there was no need to invest until plenty of water had gone under the bridge. Power storage is the holy grail for the power network. Hence RedT if it ever cracks the code with material interest, has a long way to go in value terms.

Maths is the key to investing. The herd hunt 10 baggers and chase hype.

For me there is no way I could invest materially without a solid understanding of a business.

10 x a £500 punt is just 10% of a £5000 investment and 1% of £50k.

So some can ‘10 bag’ on small moves.

Risk/reward can be heavily swayed in your favour through thorough research.

Funds, fund managers and analysts are the last thing an investor should trust.

DYOR etc.

[chimpandy1] 29/6/2019 19:42

Maybe we just do our own research and dont rely on one sided, biased and poorly written articles. Each to their own.

[cookiejug] 29/6/2019 19:38

Not subscribed...what does it say?

[scrutable] 29/6/2019 19:20

superg

if the board will excuse a weekend diversion.

I am glad you remember AAZ. After a great 7-year run the share price is still rising at 128%/pa according to Sharescope.

I remember also visiting Nick Robertson when ASOS was 6p, a year before his warehouse caught fire, My broker persuaded me to double my money by selling 20,000 at 12p. Never have I since listened to such a plausible untruth. The City was propogating that "noone ever lost money by selling at a profit"

i am not sure why you mentioned RED-T nor PHE's predicted successes. Global warming considerations desperately need both to succeed. . RED T's brilliant vanadium Redox batteries have reached third generation maturity but it needs much greater financial backing to avoid insolvency. The City's money goes more easily to loan shark companies or to pot. RED-T needs investors with understanding of engineering science,- as are plentiful on this site, otherwise scarce.

Rightly you are disparaging of PHE which cannot yet convince that its operations can run consistently, PHE is continuously trawling blind hope for further funding, and fooling the naive. There are around 20 development companies on AIM just as risky to invest in but the two I originally quoted CWR and OXB are on a level of their own, not just global,scientific break-through companies, they have entered commercialisation and have each already earned > £50m from the licencing of IP: in the shape of down payments, milestone agreements and royalties, and are self financed, flush with cash. City failure to understand science means that both are heavily undervalued.

VRS investors, however justified their confidence, should never forget Sod's Law. It can only be avoided by luck.. Many years ago, one of my most enteroprising clients was wiped out when he and his top three managers crashed at 100mph on the Autobahn. I hadstumbled on a connection between brilliance and high speed driving

.It is not necessarily more profitable, but surely wiser, to invest some of your money elsewhere.

[grabster] 29/6/2019 18:59

Hmm.. tried to post an image. Will try again.

[johnveals] 29/6/2019 18:34

Good post 1retirement.

The shorters are facing unlimited losses. Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch.

Although the ringleaders probably closed ages ago leaving their acolytes to burn.

[nico115] 29/6/2019 18:14

Can't see the TW article Can someone post it here please

[clint fleecewood] 29/6/2019 18:10

'charo, you don't know that'
I'd go so far as to say he or she knows it's wildly conservative to price graphene like butter or humus but then he's probably burning up :)

[alchemy] 29/6/2019 17:24

They won't !

[inaminute] 29/6/2019 17:03

Just checked your posting history. Still locked into the FRR short? Transparent doesn't get close.

[davemac3] 29/6/2019 16:40

charo, you don't know that

[charo] 29/6/2019 16:34

Order value between $250/2500 at highest.
When will aim or fca step in .

[alchemy] 29/6/2019 14:20

Yes REDt was a disappointment. I think the boss prejudged success and just let Opex rise unchecked?Unlike here!

[superg1] 29/6/2019 13:54

Scrutable if you recall all those years back you picked out AAZ as an undervalued gold miner.

I think it was 7p back then currently 115p.

REDT was one I was looking at due to peer storage being the holy grail in that industry, my posts (generally unliked) were to just watch form the pavement until it's fully proven.

No value chasing for that type of tech would represent how massive it could be if fully proven. REDT at the time was 7p and now 1p waiting was the correct call.

PHE

The PI's in that simply don't get it. Why isn't it flying, the world's answer to plastic waste.

First up it had a lying CEO proven from the news releases at the time and the first round of the wonder story to make everyone rich collapsed.

A bit of a holiday in Aus the appear in the UK having solved the decades of research that failed others. Money being siphoned off into another business they are connected with.

The tech is not proven at industrial scale. It's had a few 100 hours lab type testing. That is not 22 hours per day 365 .

Jim over there that worked with such kit for decades keeps trying to warn then that there is no material he knows of that exists that will survive the heat cycles.

As he points out the tech they have works in the principle of heat levels that reduce material to the gas which is exactly what it does to the chamber too.

Imo It's quite simply about putting in the hours to see what is real and has the ability to provide actual revenues to build a business, not hope and BS.

I'll have look at those 2, but I do say it as I see it, with no agenda.

[alchemy] 29/6/2019 13:53

Plus I wonder why the value of the order, the percentage margin to three decimal points , the delivery date, the costs and a myriad other details weren't included in that truly awful RNS?

[f3rdinand] 29/6/2019 13:43

FFS Winifroth sounds like a bitter old fool! The multiple grammatical and spelling errors are shocking; the weakest 10 year olds in my class can produce better! The desperate nature suggests he's in deep trouble!

[scrutable] 29/6/2019 13:07

superg re your 71855:

That was a very interesting statement of the unique evidence of VRS potential on this ADVFN site. In 45 years of investing there has been no start-up company history to compare.

Before Y2000 and the internet revolution the data was not available to PIs. The trade hid price-influencing secrets for itself. One had to have a good broker.

Subscription based data feeds have since Y2000 been such good value. The raw information is now available to pis in real time and the good bbs like this one (which are relatively still rare - many remind me of lavatory walls) keep individuals abreast of the total inferences and deductions which can be made from the data and from personal knowledge picked up by other investors.

Though not on the same pinnacle as VRS, there are currently still two global leaders breaking out in the application of a science, available on AIM. Industrial breakouts are already clearly visible at CWR and OXB and as usual the City is miles behind in appreciating the uniqueness of achievement, let alone of the potential.

One leading broker still phones me occasionally to ask what is developing of significance, but is embarassed by having to phone a 91 year old for leads and retires with a headache from what he hears, and every time cuts the ad hoc presentation short by claiming that he must take another call. The average broker has no time to do any reading and is scientificlly illiterate. He relies entirely on Research notes, which he only prtially reads or understands and on gossip with other brokers to find which way the herd is moving.