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[ellissj] 09/11/2018 16:16

Interesting step change since august this year. Too little too late re current ev battery tech? Perhaps we shall see interest in next gen 2D materials battery tech to gain an advantage there ! Aimo. Best ellis


"But according to Julian Jansen, a senior market analyst for energy storage at IHS Markit, the window of opportunity for homegrown European battery manufacturing is closing.

“In principle it is logical to strategically position battery cell manufacturing for the electric vehicle industry closer to the end users such as the major German automotive manufacturers,” he said.

The need to reduce transport and logistical costs would likely drive growth in European battery manufacturing by major South Korean and Chinese players, he added.

“However, in terms of building up large-scale domestic battery cell manufacturing, I believe Europe has missed its opportunity and public funding and subsidies would go to waste,” he commented."

[cielos] 09/11/2018 16:15

- Festario- looks to be a bit >>>> Feisty

NOTE -Feisty is a word for someone who is touchy or quarrelsome.

>>>> Oops, I’m on the wrong #### thread

Must be difficult not to realised what an idiot - Feisty - is

[loglorry1] 09/11/2018 16:08

"He also wrote the standards"

LOL no he didn't! He had input into them!

[1teepee] 09/11/2018 16:07

I am a lth and believe Vrs will be a top company, but I have an open mind, unlike some others who vent their frustration as being extremely rude

[1teepee] 09/11/2018 16:06

Only need two. One for the sheep following their leader and one for people who actually believe in free speech and balance discussions. Unlike the first which is just ramping and cuddles for those who support their leader and banning and slating people with a different point of view

[occultusverum1] 09/11/2018 16:04

Great couple of tweets between Neill and Sam Patel/Arrow Greentech, India.
Confirming that it would be ridiculous for Neill to discuss pricing in public.

[mj10] 09/11/2018 16:03

I know,why don't we all have a thread of our own

[1teepee] 09/11/2018 16:01

I believe our cto, he has put his name to the email he sent and also took a while to answer me to ensure he was giving accurate information. He also wrote the standards

[loglorry1] 09/11/2018 15:59

@1teepee Unlike other manufacturers VRS do not break down different grades and publish a data sheet for each type of Nanene as you suggest so I'm not sure if it is true.

Their patent suggest different grinding times etc. give different levels of yield more/less nanodots so I accept it may be true.

However its still possible to give a range of possible sale prices for industrial scale sales. It would seem very unlikely that they would not be in the same range as competing products with similar sizes, layers etc.

What someone here is suggesting is that Nanene will cost 1000x as much because it might be a bit better but they can't show it is better by reference to data sheets.

[1teepee] 09/11/2018 15:57

Must be difficult not being conscious of what you are doing ;)

[tini5] 09/11/2018 15:46

Please don't feed the troll.

[1teepee] 09/11/2018 15:44

It would depend what grade Vrs make for what application. There are different grades of nanene

[1teepee] 09/11/2018 15:43

Can anyone explain why when the FTSEs , Dow and s&ps go down, Vrs goes down?Completely different caps

[loglorry1] 09/11/2018 15:43

@fuji

That would make Nanene $100,000/Kg.

Talga say around $55/kg. I can see that Nanene might attract a premium if it was really really good but this is just totally silly.

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ocult - Just $100/g for nanene will be enough for us. The 3T machine alone will deliver 3000 kg or 3 million grams giving us $300 million sales.

[1teepee] 09/11/2018 15:41

Not sure why you need to state that.Can we not have a balanced discussion where people can say what they think. Or are you living in a dictatorship?

[festario] 09/11/2018 15:38

Occultusverum1 - Filtered

[1teepee] 09/11/2018 15:38

Can you not be civilized?

[1teepee] 09/11/2018 15:35

Why does it not state that on their data sheet?

[loglorry1] 09/11/2018 15:19

@occultusverum1 well the other graphene manufacturers give guidance on prices so why not VRS?

"What is the most important test, at the end of the day, is how the graphene product works in the final application"

Absolutely and we've had not a single meaningful update on progress. Whereas others have provide many (see Talga for example).

[occultusverum1] 09/11/2018 15:15

@Loglorry1, It wasn't a glib reply from Neill. Why would he give you of all people commercially sensitive information? He tried to explain to you (although I don't know why he bothers) that the price is dependent on a number of different factors.

You just posted - "What is the most important test, at the end of the day, is how the graphene product works in the final application" Perhaps you should read that a few times and let it sink in. Then perhaps you'll stop with the incessant posting about specification comparisons.

[superg1] 09/11/2018 15:15

Kemor

Unlike the misinformation crew real information often can’t be shared.

Nothing to do with inside info it’s about keeping sources instead of the intel term ‘burning’; them.

Burning a source is often done if they go rogue eg a double agent. Burning is about identifying what was said and by whom.

I and others like to keep our sources rather than help headless chickens out who by the next day are in a flap about something else. They are the type of investor that solid investors don’t like or want in any share.

Sadly they appear from time to time.

So in short I could smash it out of the park on info on a few but that destroys long term contacts and attracts the nutty crew.

If folk can’t be bothered to put the hours in they I think they are nuts. All I do is put the effort in.

On the dark side they play the lies and deceit game. How big the lie is doesn’t matter, they have an agenda, there is no source to burn.

I prefer things served stone cold. 🤐