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[luckyorange] 05/11/2018 17:14

FWIW it was the people that they know in general, but won't carry on with that particular discussion .

[club sandwich] 05/11/2018 17:07

And pshevlin - totally agree with your comments re government. I have zero faith in that incompetent liar Fox. MW seems an alright guy, and anyway he's off-limits at the moment as his wife is very ill. I just hope that this whole Chinese enterprise doesn't prove in retrospect to have been a massive mistake. Who knows, if it had never happened VRS might have put that mgmt focus into signing dozens more collabs and we might have our first orders by now - you know, like XG and TSEM...

[richie32] 05/11/2018 17:02

The way I see it, with a blue sky project (which I have had experience of fwit) there are a thousand threads that appear, all with steep learning curves.

You have a choice to either put the blinkers on and concentrate on 1 or 2 threads in order to make a fast buck OR you can do the hard stuff and learn the curves and build a solid base.

It seems to me that VRS has taken the latter route and I, for one, am happy with this, as this offers the greatest prize imho.

In the early days every customer's requirements will be unique and take you down a different path but eventually you will gain experience and start to consolidate the requirements and match them with your capabilities and start to make money.

As someone posted earlier, patience is the watch word.

[pshevlin] 05/11/2018 17:00

People who know nothing about China might like to read this (rather than just asking a friend. The Silk Road Trap, How China's Trade Ambitions Challenge Europe
by Jonathan Holslag (out in December)
The guy is a China expert and I have read a number of books on the subject by him.

[club sandwich] 05/11/2018 16:57

So more talk from China, and down 2p on the day. We need to see firm, hard, significant outcomes, and soon.And so much for an intra-day RNS about Aecom. More wishful thinking...

[pshevlin] 05/11/2018 16:56

Depends where you go in China. Many have good cause to dislike our part in the opium trade.

[herschel k] 05/11/2018 16:55

For anyone interested in XG Sciences, and how amazing they must be to have an order with Ford, etc, etc. you might be interested to take a look at their half-yearly results.

Let's see now:

6 months ended Jun 2017 - total orders - 149
6 months ended Jun 2018 - total orders - 131

6 months ended Jun 2017 - sales/gross loss - $416.8k/$579.8k
6 months ended Jun 2018 - sales/gross loss - $1.74m/$583.5k

So, revenue up sharply.......gross loss still increased.........

IMO, XG can have as many loss-making contracts as they like.

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[luckyorange] 05/11/2018 16:53

That is a very strange comment to make , would that be from personal experience ?

I have been told by a chinese person that they feel an affinity with GB and really like the English history because it is in some way similar to their that was also confirmed by the person with them.

"As to the Chinese I wouldn't trust them as far as I can spit. They have no reason to love the English in fact they dislike them almost as much as they do the Japanese so it is not beyond the realms of possibility that they are stringing us along."

[pshevlin] 05/11/2018 16:53

That is what I think Roger (but they are making money from them).

[ellissj] 05/11/2018 16:53

P shevlin. Dyor. Best ellis

[rogerbridge] 05/11/2018 16:49

From what I can see Sixth Element Graphene flakes are much larger than Nanene. Others can check.

[luckyorange] 05/11/2018 16:47

See Neill, see what you've done? 😉😂

[alchemy] 05/11/2018 16:43

You have to say it continuously please.

[festario] 05/11/2018 16:41

Pshevlin. May I assume that you sold your shares at a loss in the recent shake out? You seem to have returned to the board in a most embittered manner.

[club sandwich] 05/11/2018 16:36

pshevlin - so the idea that VRS have all the time in the world to put together some world-spanning global network before doing a big reveal seems erroneous. There is indeed a race to the start line - and others seem to be ahead of VRS *at the moment*.

[hattie1] 05/11/2018 16:35

Liam Fox meeting with Indonesian Trade Minister today ... didnt our CEO mention Indonesia for the first time today ...

[occultusverum1] 05/11/2018 16:35

Cheek, I think he said on Twitter that he was skypeing a customer

[spike_1] 05/11/2018 16:35

CS re your: who has gone with VRS Nobody..

Clearly you are now shorting VRS!! No point in suggesting otherwise no one will believe you.

To answer your question:

Are you so unbelievably stupid not to be able to read the very many RNS's indicating who has gone with VRS, and in many cases they are international conglomerates.



Completion of the Acquisition of Gnanomat S.L. 01 Oct 2018
Acquisition of Gnanomat S.L.25 Sep 2018
Construction Materials Collaboration24 Aug 2018
Sporting Goods Collaboration02 Aug 2018
Consumer Goods Collaboration29 May 2018
Planned Chinese graphene manufacturing facility15 Jan 2018
Collaboration with Global Consumer Goods Company17 Nov 2017
Collaboration with Israel Aerospace Industries31 Oct 2017
Acquisition and Trading Update19 Jan 2017
Debt for Equity Swap with UoM 31 Oct 2016
New Healthcare Graphene Project 27 Oct 2016
Acquisition of AAC Cyroma 03 Oct 2016
Grant of US Graphene Patent 07 Sep 2015
Major Advance in Scalable Graphene Production 11 Jun 2015
Acquisition 03 Feb 2015
MOU with National Graphene Institute 21 Nov 2014
Update on 2-DTech Ltd 04 Nov 2014

[richie32] 05/11/2018 16:34

VRS seems to be well plugged in to UK govt trade missions around the globe. Good to see

[cheek212] 05/11/2018 16:32

Yes he did

[pshevlin] 05/11/2018 16:32

Has this one slipped under the radar Super?

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