Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[rickyl1] 27/10/2018 10:19

Won't be popular opinion but Im not totally anti Loglorry,he brings up some important points you should consider when investing here. I have taken on board his stuff and come to the conclusion that ,at this level , an investment here is worth the risk.

[luckyorange] 27/10/2018 10:03

The reason I have them filtered is because they bore the pants off me, it's poor strategy once people become bored because they just say yeah yeah and move on.

If companies want to put tonnes of what is purported to be the best graphite in the world into concrete it is in my opinion a waste of future resources, shouldn't be allowed to happen. Poor quality graphite will produce the same result, it's a travesty!

The only problem I can now see with VRS is that once one in China signs on the dotted line then it will be akin to dominoes, but feel sure that is a scenario that VRS have worked on.

Disappointed that the tyre manufacturers are not faster moving but looking forward to more information on AECOM.

[superg1] 27/10/2018 09:52

Haydale

I can say it now. I did hint quiet significantly at the time with some analogies.

Haydale went head long into pumping graphene and yes they did say their graphene at times which had many investors thinking they produced it. They do not they simply buy it from others.


When the Sp was on highs I did point out that some had been made redundant in South Wales due to a lost order. It was never announced. I did ping their PR company who said if it wasn't announced then it couldn't be true. Well the guys made redundant including some previously acclaimed key staff (in some cases) have a different view re that.

So imo Haydale were a tad naughty there keeping that from investors. Perhaps they didn't perhaps they told the nomad, who knows? Its mot like nomads ever want to look after mates and get them to sell is it?

The other part investors were not aware of was the lack of understanding by some Haydale staff.

They too fell for the BS in the market and it seems in negotiations with others were making the claims of what graphene could do for the partner but doing that on the basis of the cheap 'graphene' out there.

So then you end up with a gain that looks highly attractive and a cost matrix that fits.

As I understand it Hayd forged ahead thinking high quality graphene with all the available gains could be bought for under 10p per gram.


So it was no surprise to me when someone pointed out that Haydale have trialled over 200 graphenes and then found only about 5 met the graphene criteria.

I have said all along 95%+ graphene producers out there are not producing graphene.

They a considerable time later Haydale have apparently gone through a process of testing over 200 and only 5 fitted the bill. That tells you over 95% is junk.

My guide wasn't luck some of us were well ahead of the curve v Haydale on understanding what real graphene is as we had been looking into it for a long time.

So unfortunately they fell into the BS pile of making promises that could not be met.

Unfortunately I also strongly believe some of the failure on the share price side is down to the city forcing Haydale to put things out that they didn't want to commit to.

Hence as I said recently, I've softened a bit re Ray. I believe he was made the scapegoat on some points for what the city forced on him.

That's how the city works, they try to get you over a barrel (success rate very high) on BS for gain and then when what the city fed out doesn't happen, they make the company the scapegoat.

Haydale need cash in the near future and the city will punish them for the problem the city helped create.

[shavian] 27/10/2018 09:51

Time for the weekend colour supplement. Let’s think about Formula E. Redefining the term ‘petrolhead’ for the renewable energy era. Season 5 is about to get going and looks like being the game-changer for this exciting branch of motor sport. New cars (all to the same design), new 200kw batteries from MacLaren replace the 80kw batteries from Williams last year. This means the cars will go the full distance and drivers will not have to do a car change mid-race.

What’s the significance for VRS? Not much just yet, but our focus on battery tech and our arms-length links with both MacLaren and Williams (via Zap&Go) should bring this sport into focus for the company pretty soon. Neill’s past links with and love for Formula 1 should make sure of that. Seems a pity that Williams has lost the battery contract for the next two seasons, but that was an FIA decision back in 2016. Otherwise ZapGo might well be at the epicentre of this season.

Anyway, here’s the gen on Maclaren’s battery:


And for newbies wanting to know more about who’s who in Formula E, here’s a preview of these runners and riders for Season 5 which kicks off in Saudi (!) in December. Bit of a boring video for everyone else.



This one’s a bit more exciting...

[haz101] 27/10/2018 09:36

The Sp can move whatever way it wants in the short term, I have a figure in my head of where I think we will be and I’m happy to wait, I can’t see any other share in the present climate that has as much backing and potential to disrupt the market, while not fully insulated against market sentiment I think we are more than some once a solid order comes through, RE shorters wafflers and moaners I skip over their posts or have them filtered so makes no odds to me what they spout I’ve researched the facts as much as possible and am comfortable with my investment

[f3rdinand] 27/10/2018 09:33

To clarify, my post was in response to squire getting his mates to buy 5k's worth and how they may reward him! Sadly, the number of shares I own wouldn't allow me to pay for a B and B in Grimsby for everyone here!

[superg1] 27/10/2018 09:31

The 'sell' point around graphene since it was discovered has always been it's super strength.

Multi and many layer will not convey that strength to other products, they will convert other properties but not strength. In a strong material typically they will weaken it. There are various papers on the topic.

A host of companies (100's of them) worldwide claim to produce graphene.

Here are some facts.

Big names cottoned onto the graphene claims so started trials on the various graphenes available. The graphene didn't work it wasn't giving them strength gains it was in many cases making the product weaker.

The UOM/NGI the world experts on graphene started a process to end the BS and they claims that anything over 10 layer should not be called graphene.

Why is that?

Well graphene is supposed to be strong and impart that into products over 10 layer and the strength gains to be made drop off a quick and quickly entering a detrimental range.

So big names quickly established in their minds that the graphene revolution was BS, it didn't work.

VRS were well aware of that and that's why they bought 2D tech out of Manchester. 2D tech showed VRS that graphene does work if it's the right type of graphene.

In theory it did work so VRS kept their heads down until the theory could be proven to translate to gains. If they did that the big names were likely to come calling.

Then up popped the news of the lateral gains in carbon fibre from VRS, and independent test carried out by the world lead in graphene, the UOM/NGI.

Scientists raved about the gains. They normally look for gains of fractions of percent such is the nature of exhausted technology in the area pre graphene.

Then as we can all see a host of big names have signed up with VRS and a multiplying number of provinces and companies and provinces in China are taking to VRS.

It's because VRS have developed a method which can be scaled up to produce volume graphene nano platelets that work very well on the full range of graphene gains including the strength.

[haz101] 27/10/2018 09:29

Ff holding tight here as well, looking forward to disruptive things in the not too distant future

[haz101] 27/10/2018 09:27

Well said Roger

[superg1] 27/10/2018 09:15

Facts tend to get in the way of good stories (aka lies for gain).

The whole point of the thread ever was to help folk understand what is and isn't graphene and what does and eons;t work for the various gains from graphene.

Graphite

Anyone that followed graphite junior companies (stratmin a good AIM example) and got excited by the BS will known the terms Jumbo and large false graphite with a dropping price as the size drops.

So what is Jumbo?

Jumbo is >300um

So in real terms for the width the width of those you are talking 3 per mm. I'm not sure how some picture Jumbo graphite flakes but that's it, you'd struggle to see them. Such graphite flakes will be 100's and 1000's of layers of graphene.

In the process to separate them the lateral sizes drop which is can be a gain but also detrimental if you reduce the sizes too much.

As I have said before some process are harsh and they smash them all to bits making the laterals too small to be effective for strength gains.


All graphite types if added to something with low conductivity is going to improve the electrical and thermal conductivity of the product. If it's a strong lateral then it will weaken it due to the billions of weak points added due to the many layer graphene.

As the many platelets slide around the can improve the elasticity of the product.

However for strength you need to get to as few layers as possible, keep damage to a minimum along the way and there is a desirable range on the lateral size.

Too small and they can't bond properly to the composites, too big and they fold and crumple creating issues.

It's in various science papers.

Graphite and many layer graphene will enhance products but they won't have the full gains that few and single layer graphene produce due to the weak interlayer bonds those have to be minimised by reducing the number of layers.

[ridicule] 27/10/2018 09:11

I agree FF. The AGM was most uplifting and completely BS free.

[forestfred] 27/10/2018 09:04

Genuine honest people can see through lies and agenda,s .

A met a good few people at the AGM
Of the ones I met they had massive respect and admiration for our ceo and the team and great belief in our journey and to some degree respect for each other, it did feel like a large group of well researched like minded people on a journey together.
Their belief and commitment and excitment in Vrs stood out .
Ff

[ridicule] 27/10/2018 08:48

Log/Kempster. Your post 43835, para 3 is your mission statement. Your entire goal is to get PIs to fall out of love with Neill Ricketts. That is the only way you see the share price taking a real tumble, given the lack of institutions.

VRS is on the threshold of great things. Three ton Nanene production capacity arrives in November and, I suspect a number of significant collaboration outputs are waiting to see the proof that Nanene can be produced by those new machines at the rate predicted before announcing any new product launches. It is always the case that initial production runs are tested before commitments are made.

You keep banging on about the cash being worth 4p a share and the price-earnings not justifying the current share price, ignoring completely the mind blowing the exciting prospects just around the corner. It would be perfectly reasonable for VRS shares to be £2 today. Many people a year from now will be kicking themselves for not getting in at these levels. You, however, standing on that railway track looking in the wrong way, will be toast.

[ellissj] 27/10/2018 08:48

Well said ff imo. Best ellis

[forestfred] 27/10/2018 08:47

All hail the most wise !!

Who has given so much to everyone .

Big thanks and respect .
Ff

[superg1] 27/10/2018 08:45

And if I was you F3 I'd remove that posts it may prove rather expensive or claim your account was hacked.

[jointer13] 27/10/2018 08:44

you keep that scumbag hunting going sg.

especially the two that stand out on this board.

[forestfred] 27/10/2018 08:40

A very Good witty start to the day most wise versarien/ graphene master yoda

Made me smile.
May the force be with you .

Yes I think the Maldives might be a plan will need time to reflect .
Ff

[superg1] 27/10/2018 08:34

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If the China RNS is as imminent as you state then they'll be buying you an all inclusive holiday to the Maldives accompanied by a hareem of the worlds hottest women and a few kgs of coke!

Can you chuck in a round of golf and if it comes in November you'd need to sort a premises that covers the Autumn internationals (rugby).

A bunch of non golfing women around moaning about a good walk wasted and talking while the rugby is on can be ditched imo.

A for the coke, not for me, I get enough kicks out of scumbag hunting.

[forestfred] 27/10/2018 08:30

Well said Roger .
I have been in since the 10-20p days and also bought along the way right up to £1.80 never been so excited .
Could have changed my life style many times .
With so many collaborations with global companies in different sectors .
Not to mention China and US potential.
And unknown to us yet opportunities .

And also given the talk of disruptive technology happening .

Truely it has never been so exciting for us all .
The journey in my view is only just beginning .

I wish all investors old and new
Good luck good health and good fortune and look forward to the time of graphene and new technology
Ff

[ellissj] 27/10/2018 08:25

Lol chumbo ! :-) Have a good weekend all. Best ellis

[ellissj] 27/10/2018 08:25

Correct me if i'm wrong, but i think neill mentioned it in a poddy (august?) That ideally he would like a china deal sorted before going to usa. Obviously, said in good faith at that time regarding negotiations, and it could have played out differently since. Indeed, the usa trip could hold a different intent now. Only neill and co know. I am optimisitic of developments in vrs favour here, and await formal advices with anticipation. Aimo. Dyor. Best ellis