Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[dreamtwister] 13/10/2018 20:03

The plant boasts an annual graphene output of 50 tons.

The company will expand capacity to yearly output will to 150 tons once the project enters full-scale production, which is in addition to the 100 tons per year made through chemical techniques

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[realcooltrader] 13/10/2018 19:00

Jeezuz, don't encourage them!

[tomduck] 13/10/2018 18:53

Yeah but really 3million shares is not much to shout about is it. Bit of a pitiful short effort imo.

[sonsonnyjim] 13/10/2018 18:42

Thanks super / lovat, don't fully understand shorting. So there's no mandatory closing and therefore no punishment bar lack of access to funds?

[lovat scout] 13/10/2018 18:39

Sonson - you can keep rolling an SB long or short, it just costs every time.

3 million short may be true but be wary of the source! It’s not in the FCA declared short list so there must be quite a few punters short to add up to 3m

[superg1] 13/10/2018 18:31

Son

There has been a lot of chatter about T type trades.

So some may not have the cash to cover. As Nigel Wray put it (he hates shorting) while he may be a multi-millionaire it doesn’t mean he has millions in cash should anyone need it. He would have to liquidate other assets to create the cash needed.

So in the PB case IF inside info related you simply do a T20 where no cash is needed. By the time the cash call comes the PB shares should be with you to close out stock on loan that doesn’t exist.

So no cash needed, no risk and guaranteed profit.

That is if you get the shares you need via PB. If not you are potentially in the mire.

So if there are 3 mill short and big China or other news hits it gets difficult to exit.


Most here are long term holders. Those short face running into news and a dwindling supply by the funds that have some left.


The longer things go on the higher the risk gets, as news of that type is coming.

[jointer13] 13/10/2018 18:26

sonson...how the hell can he answer that question ! beggars believe.

[sonsonnyjim] 13/10/2018 18:19

Super g - at what point do they have to buy? At what point do they HAVE to convert paper losses to actual losses

[superg1] 13/10/2018 18:15

Red7

I’m not sure how long you have been around but the IG short circs have been explained a few times.

IG show how many clients are short not the percentage of shares short.

So you could have 10 long with 100,000 shares each and 10 short with 1 share each and it would say 50% are short.

As for how many are short, I heard it was as high as 3 mill shares. `Mike Langdon who sounds off on Twitter comes up with the same figure.

The cunning plan I believe was for the shorts to get out by bidding for stock on primarybid. EG if you were 50k shares short you could apply for 50k shares via PB and close out your short position.

Now imagine you get a nod from someone inside re a PB fund raise. You go short for a number of shares and instantly apply for the same amount on PB immediately making a profit IF the shares are allocated to you.

As I recall a while back PB was first come first served. However on this one VRS said they were controlling the book. IE checking names against the shareholder register and making choices about who gets what. I assume to make sure existing holders are first in the queue.

So if you are massively oversubscribed those trying the short exit probably get binned.

So then post PB fund raise the shorts still exist.

Mike has very kindly suggested by putting up that data that hardly any got out in the dip, so if we believe him (tough call) then 3 mill shares are still short.

So that means we have a number of guaranteed buyers from 3 mills shares. Cheers Mike for that info

So if they did try PB and failed what should they do next. Oh I know stick out reports trashing the company and go on a Twitter and BB bashing frenzy.

So thanks to Mike he has confirmed my thoughts, so now you know why the bashing frenzy has been in play.

As I keep saying they are in a deep hole having what looks like a potential failed plan through PB.

[red7al] 13/10/2018 17:47

:-) I do know that he cannot give me dates. I was asking if he had dates to work to.

[jointer13] 13/10/2018 17:33

he cannot give you dates...I thought you would have known that.!

[red7al] 13/10/2018 17:19

I like NR being on twitter, his communications are good and I chatted with him at AGM and open day. He has provided some clarity, I don't debate that. I was requesting more clarity. This is particularly relevant to the stage of testing with Chinese provinces. It is promising they are happy with testing so far but this doesn't confirm testing is signed off or any indicative dates. This could happen very quickly but the moment we don't know if he has a date.

[jointer13] 13/10/2018 17:07

by the way red7al, you do get a lot of clarity of neill on twitter. (we have learnt a lot)

[jointer13] 13/10/2018 16:58

"I'm still following the dream but would prefer more clarity from NR than watching his engagement with those trying to spoil the party"

err... isn't that the reason he is on there.

I know some people on here don't like neill engaging on twitter.

I for one am delighted he is on it,he has a duty to defend the company anyway.

and what a brilliant job he is doing.

just imagine if he was'nt there to defend it....the scumbags would have a field day.

and you know what....the scumbags think they are clever, but all they have done is allow neill to update us about the truthful situation of the company at that time, and inform us pi's of whats going on because of there pathetic attacks on the company

to there detriment.

neill...good work keep it coming.

[sonsonnyjim] 13/10/2018 16:43

Red 7, imo Matt Walker seems pretty confident over how things are going, adds some weight to it

[sonsonnyjim] 13/10/2018 16:43

Red 7, imo Matt Walker seems pretty confident over how things are going, adds some weight to it

[red7al] 13/10/2018 15:59

I believe a claim has been that VRS could agree a contract "tomorrow" but the terms are not right for VRS. This may suggest testing and valuation maybe well underway. However, despite titbits and hints we don't have firm information. I'm still following the dream but would prefer more clarity from NR than watching his engagement with those trying to spoil the party

[sonsonnyjim] 13/10/2018 15:17

Didn't Dyson abandon using a smaller companies tech and invested their own instead

[ellissj] 13/10/2018 15:14

david kerr retweeting neill here. Interesting view here imo. Best ellis.

"David Kerr
@DFK007

"Totally right on this point."

"Quote Tweet
Neill Ricketts
@neillricketts"

"Big companies now acknowledge that smaller start ups hold the key to innovation not large R&D , the large companies come along and buy the smaller ones if they are needed. A quick look at Dyson's history of batteries gives a good case study."

[grabster] 13/10/2018 14:22

CS - isn't it just a meaningless ghost of yesterday's chart? (dunno why it shows though)

[club sandwich] 13/10/2018 14:19

I'm sure this has been covered before but I must have missed it: how can the chart in the header show price movements when the markets are closed?

[grabster] 13/10/2018 14:13

Cheers Ellis. I seem to remember wondering about a tenuous connection between VRS and Toray last year (might have been via a mutual third party that I was looking into - but can't remember now).
EDIT: On a quick search, I see poster tomthumb posted this link to Toray's 'about' message in which they sound well suited to being a VRS partner.

[ellissj] 13/10/2018 14:03

Found this article from 2016 grabster reporting japanese firms looking into 'graphene.' Obviously, with vrs chinese and korean activity since then, we might be on the radar of japanese firms too, in terms of attention at least. Aimo. Best ellis

"Japanese Companies Ditch Carbon Fiber for Graphene and Cellulose Nanofiber."