Trafalgar Property Share Discussion Threads

[andre] 29/7/2013 23:29

Thanks doodle. Finally an admission that you have no clue what it is worth. Hence posting about what a great stock this is can only be ramping.

Enjoy your 'investments' doodle. I'll just enjoy my gains and pay my CGT thanks.

[doodlebug4] 29/7/2013 20:12

My valuation of this share is of no importance, any more than your valuation Andre - and I have never put a valuation on TRAF - whereas you keep posting on this thread that, in your opinion, at the current share price it is over valued. If you actually take the trouble to log on the TRAF website and read the Allenby Capital analyst information, then please go ahead and try to pick holes in that if you can. Profit from sales steadily increasing each year to 2015 and an introduction of a dividend. Have you any shares in your portfolio which pay dividends, if not it might be a good idea since you say you pay CGT each year.

Quite frankly I cannot be bothered posting page upon page of reasons why I think this share is going to go North just for your edification. As I have said before, you seem very keen to jump on this thread with negative views at every opportunity and since you don't seem to have any track record on this bulletin board of posting positive comments about any share which has done well, then I see no reason but to remain completely sceptical regarding your negative views on TRAF.

[andre] 29/7/2013 19:31

doodle - so you are saying that you can't justify the valuation then? NTOG risen because it is being ramped? Really?? And you have the gall to say this on the TRAF thread whilst still not providing a semblance of reasoning for even the reduced valuation of TRAF today? The ramper here is clear. Look at the NTOG chart. Look at this one.

I'll keep backing risers. I don't recall mentioning a hoping in ORE either. Only that it had more potential than TRAF from that point. I will trade in it when the reasons and momentum align.

Go on doodle. One single or a combination of reasons TRAF is worth this much. It shouldn't be too much for your intellect.

[doodlebug4] 29/7/2013 18:36

Andre, I have been around bulletin boards too long to be taken in by posters like you - and I have never put a valuation on this share. You seem to be the poster who is spouting all the figures about valuations - and since you keep saying you have no interest in buying TRAF I can only assume you are a wind-up merchant. I suggest you read the Allenby Capital document properly and then you might just perhaps begin to understand why I have no intention of selling this share in the immediate future.

"I won't ramp anything" - LOL, you were on this thread first thing this morning talking about NTOG. It's gone up 4.8% today because it's being ramped to death on the basis that there is an RNS due out any minute. As I've said before, I wouldn't touch NTOG with a bargepole. Even if it ever goes up to 1p, which I very much doubt, I still wouldn't touch it with a bargepole. You seem to have sold out your ORE shareholding very quickly after sounding so positive about that a few days ago !!! I hope you didn't lose too much on that.

[blueball] 29/7/2013 18:10

This will bounce tomorrow just like MAR has done today.

Too cheap imo.
fingers crossed.

[andre] 29/7/2013 17:32

doodle - feeling a little tender? Perhaps you can't give us a reason for the valuation of TRAF other than 'because I say it is worth it'.

I won't ramp anything. This started just because I was comparing value and potential and you decided to deride NTOG and ramp TRAF. Today TRAF is down 9.4% whilst NTOG is up ANOTHER 4.8%. (ORE was down but I am not currently in that so no worries).

So far I would call that an 'oops' on your part. Still, just one day so far. You could still be right if you hold for a while longer......

[doodlebug4] 29/7/2013 17:12

The analyst information issued by Allenby Capital on 16th July, which is available on the TRAF website, makes for positive reading. I would suggest any shareholder who has doubts about the future prospects of this company should take the time to have an in-depth look at that document.

[swizz] 29/7/2013 16:34

BP - Are you back TRAF?....I dipped my toe back in today......GL S

[doodlebug4] 29/7/2013 16:21

blueball, please don't encourage Andre to ramp NTOG on this thread, there is already a thread for that purpose on ADVFN.

[andre] 29/7/2013 16:14

Hi blueball. Thanks. Seems I am already. ;o) Up 4.8% today.

[blueball] 29/7/2013 15:49

Thanks Andre hope you do well with NTOG.

[andre] 29/7/2013 13:09

Correction. NTOG appears to be off again. ;o)

But I won't post about this anymore on this thread. Good luck to TRAF holders. I genuinely wish you luck.

[andre] 29/7/2013 11:42

Nidgeyr - I simply don't have anything to add and await news like everyone with that one. I don't have any inside line. I just believe that it has turned the corner and is about to re-rate.

Is it me or is the market sleeping today? Nothing I am watching is doing anything.!

[andre] 29/7/2013 08:48

Look at the NTOG chart doodle. I believe it has just turned a corner and news is imminent. NTOG went down Friday? How about TRAF which went down the second half of last week by much greater %? And a low price? On fundamentals? Please justify. That's all I have been asking for.

NTOG up on last week and has a conference call at 3 which could well cause another rise.

Good that you bought at 3p doodle. But a profit isn't a profit until its in the bank. Not all holders are in your position.

I think NTOG is a better bet for % rises from here and that is all that matters in the big picture. But nobody can predict the future with any certainty. Otherwise we'd all be on yachts in the Caribbean instead of here.

[nidgeyr] 29/7/2013 08:41

Andre, for a person that is so keen on NTOG I note that you haven't posted on their board?

[doodlebug4] 28/7/2013 16:49

I don't know what prices you paid for either share blueball, I don't know how much money you have invested in either and I don't want to know as it's none of my business! My first tranche of TRAF was bought at 3p, so I'm not at all concerned. The final results are due out in August, which could be as early as Thursday, so I'm waiting with interest to read the Chairman/CEO's statements. If, as the company has stated, there are prospects of a final dividend being introduced in 2014 it doesn't strike me that the share price is going to stay at its presently low level.

("NTOG requires news to continue north" - I haven't noticed it going North recently and it went down 2.3% on Friday.)

[andre] 28/7/2013 15:49

blueball - doodle wouldn't agree but I would naturally say hold NTOG. But then our risk profiles are different. Tomorrow could be an interesting day. There is a lot of noise on the NTOG thread and lots of rubbish being written. You could say this here too though. NTOG requires news to continue north. TRAF will be waiting for any news from highly promised results.

On balance I think NTOG news will almost certainly be faster hence I am expecting a move this week.

[blueball] 28/7/2013 15:17

Tell me I'm holding NTOG and TRAF what should I do..

I am concerned for both.

[doodlebug4] 28/7/2013 14:18

Andre, I didn't say I ignored fundamentals, I said it takes more than just fundamentals to make or break a share price and when I research a share before buying it there are at least 6 to 10 factors I take into consideration, not just the fundamentals. TRAF ticks a lot of boxes for me for various reasons and not least the fact that the housebuilding sector is looking good for now and the future.

[andre] 28/7/2013 14:07

Ignore fundamentals at your peril doodle.

You can hedge all you like. I sit 44% up YTD as I write and have paid CGT every year since 2004. Watch them or don't, doesn't matter to me.

TRAF doesn't stack up for me on the numbers but again, well done to those who rode it regardless. Particularly if you crystallised your gains.

[stock pick guru] 28/7/2013 12:23

Wait for it to fall back some more i think then review any construction figures before making a decision to buy.

[doodlebug4] 28/7/2013 12:16

Andre, if you followed any of my posts on ADVFN on any other threads you would know that I don't ramp shares and then dump them. As I have said before I am an investor, not a trader and I so I buy shares to hold at least for a few months. You cannot buy shares purely on fundamentals and management. A share like TCG, for example, looked a disaster on fundamentals and then a CEO was appointed who had absolutely no experience in the travel industry, which put many people off thinking about buying - suffice to say I bought TCG when it was 22p in October last year and look where it is now.

I'm not the least bit interested in comparing the share prices of NTOG & ORE in a few months time as they are two shares I personally wouldn't touch with a bargepole, but I don't appear on these two threads trying to put people off buying them, as you have done here with TRAF. Mining stocks are a potential recipe for disaster imo, especially in countries where governments can just change any licence agreements in the blink of an eye.

You are never going to make serious money buying purely speculative little tiddler shares such as NTOG & ORE. If you have a broader range of shares in your portfolio then I think it's okay to have a couple of punts, but otherwise I really don't think you are going to be worrying about paying Capital Gains Tax at the end of the next financial year.

[nidgeyr] 28/7/2013 12:01

Andre, ROFFLMAO, you are having a laugh...... NTOG??!!!Good luck with your investment there!TRAF is a far safer option IMO.

[andre] 28/7/2013 11:26

doodlebug - If you follow mining stocks at all then you will know that all gold stocks have been hammered as the gold price has fallen back. So quoting a six month before and after is pointless. My interest is in the oversold nature of ORE and I am already 20% up on it with this recovery just the beginning. NTOG - again oversold with a possible takeover in the offing. With imminent news this is only going one way IMHO.

Let's judge the prices from today shall we? I predict that in the coming months TRAF will fall back. NTOG and ORE will gain. As neither of us were in any of these stocks months ago then let's judge by a more relevant 'performance from here' shall we?

I have yet to hear a convincing argument for the current valuation of TRAF based on fundamentals and management. I am unlikely to ever buy TRAF as I don't believe in it having done my research. Imight be wrong but remain unconvinced. I have no holding now. And, for the record, I never deramp to buy stocks. If I miss them, I miss them. There's always another one coming.

Perhaps you have a convincing argument doodle but you have yet to post anything other than ramping on this one IMHO. It'll be interesting to see how you disappear from the board if the price does fall away.