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[emptyend] 05/7/2021 09:24

"Deaths reported" is merely one metric amongst thousands. The zealots pretend it is the only, and absolute, metric that matters. But it isn't - as the next decade will show very clearly.If you lived here, you would know this. Context is also crucial - the UK started with an older-than-average more overweight population with a higher % of genetically vulnerable ethnic minorities and far greater international connectivity to all parts of the country especially via those substantial ethnic minorities. No other country in the world has had that combination of risk factors.

[inanaco] 05/7/2021 09:17

Australian population has increased by 2 years over the last two decades, from 35 years at 30 June 1999 to 37 years at 30 June 2019. Between 30 June 2018 and 30 June 2019 the median age remained steady at 37 years.

Uk is over 40 ...

does not sound much does it ....... but statistically for the virus makes a big difference


so i have showed

Density and age is worse in the Uk ..... the very thing the virus uses to transmit and cause death


Australia does not have 10,000 eu nationals driving lorries across the border

the virus expands logarithmic in larger populations the speed of that expansion will be higher


Australia has 25m uk 65m

[torquayfan] 05/7/2021 09:09

EE - Yours - 'No government on the planet has perfectly insulated their people from impacts'. Indeed. But as an example, which Govt has done better measured by results, Australia with 35 dpm or the UK with 1879 dpm?

MMMmmm - 'you could hardly be more wrong of your assessment of the impact of the pandemic in the UK and the government's handling of it'. I could say just the same to you, but as above, I have more evidence.

And - ' . . . mistakes - and there are more still to be made'. Of course. I just hope I'm wrong but I think BJ and Co are taking you up on that challenge.

[inanaco] 05/7/2021 09:05

it was ............ uk pre bought ..... The "great idea" some 300 million dose

200m more than required

Ursula Von Der Leyen Didn't .... and concentrating purchasing power towards Sanofi ... which failed


the EU didn't approve quick enough

Thailand could have trusted the UK MHRA ....

at the time of your post the UK had already started vaccinating ...........


by the way Australia v Uk .......... is not like for like

I am sure Burble and Bermuda would agree ... your use of statistics is very misleading

[torquayfan] 05/7/2021 08:57

No Inan you're out of context. Of course vaccination is a great idea but it just wasn't available to all everywhere was it ? Be happy.

[inanaco] 05/7/2021 08:44

Tf the Vaccines are prophylactic you take them as a first line defence

you implied that they didn't need to ..........

its a dreadful post ......... because you didn't identify the error the Thai Gov just made because you had convinced yourself that the bubble would work

1/ you failed to recognise what a vaccine is for ... despite investing in vaccines for years

happy to be filtered

[goyathlay] 05/7/2021 08:37

Thailand's economy is extremely dependent on tourism (21.9%) Sadly, the country is in serious trouble due to mismanagement and nepotism by the 'Maximum Leader'

[goyathlay] 05/7/2021 08:30

""Thailand has started its Covid vaccination campaign amid concerns over the supply of doses, which are mainly being produced locally by a royal-owned company that has no prior experience of making vaccines.""



I see, a pharmaceutical concern in the pocket of the 'Infallible' and legally-insulated King.

What can you expect from a tin pot military dictatorship in which a poodle was made air chief marshal.

We can only be thankful that we live in a Western democracy in which criticism of our leaders is permissible.

[inanaco] 05/7/2021 08:14

the Conservative policy from the start ...... herd immunity control the virus so that the UK economy didn't collapse and maintaining a functioning health service ...

hence the moto "save the NHS"

but behind that massive intervention with Gov Funding for 100's of trials to find vaccines, antivirals and any repurpose drug to covid .........

it worked

we open on July 19th

now minor errors in any standing start to war footing is inevitable

but the policy worked

[inanaco] 05/7/2021 08:00

Tf this is what you posted earlier



torquayfan - 17 Jan 2021 - 00:48:23 - 36008 of 41522 Using immunology to fight cancer. - SCLP
Inan - of course one death is important, I didn't suggest otherwise and it is rather unkind for you to suggest I did.

Let me present this again - "To be frank, AT THESE LEVELS (of infection), the need for a vaccine in Thailand is highly QUESTIONABLE", (one death per million people per annum). So atm that is a fair statement - if you don't agree that's no problem.

Of course, when a vaccine is AVAILABLE, to deal with all variants, it would be good for Thailand to get 'vaccinated' so tourism etc. can return to normal. But it is fair to suggest that Thailand is not a priority at these levels, at this time, as the virus seems under control, due to early border closures, compulsory controlled quarantine, mask wearing, extended social distancing, internal travel restrictions etc. and adherence to measures here has been generally good.

Of course things can change at any time. N.B. ATM there is no vaccine available until 'SINOVAC' is approved, (that's 200,000 doses only) and Siam Pharma can actually make the Oxford A-Z vaccine as they are licensed to, (but actually lagging well behind India on that).


this is an example of you getting it wrong ?

""""the need for a vaccine in Thailand is highly QUESTIONABLE", """

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how long can thailand maintain this level of lockdown ............

before the economy implodes ???

what level of infection will tip the thai health system into chaos ???

why didn't thailand with the protection of closed borders buy up vaccines when the uk started.

why did you convince yourself that vaccination was not necessary ??????

why did you not have the foresight to recognise variants despite me giving warnings constantly about mutations and what those mutations means

whats happening now is Covid is constantly increasingly becoming more infectious as variants become dominate

the UK already planing a third Jab .. why isn't thailand ?

your policy is an absolute disaster in the making ...........

because you would have devoted all resource to bankrupting us ,.... while the virus was getting strong enough to break your "bubble" .... we know full well that Thailand is understating numbers ..........

so when you say i have been "cornered" ... i suggest you be careful in future what you post

because it does and will come back and bite you ....

[oldnotwise] 05/7/2021 08:00

21.36/21.625

[emptyend] 05/7/2021 07:19

tf re your 41477 and the raft of succeeding posts that I can't be bothered to read, you could hardly be more wrong of your assessment of the impact of the pandemic in the UK and the government's handling of it. And I say that as one who actively campaigned against Johnson's candidate in 2019.Perhaps Covid affects the brain more than scientists realise....there is an outbreak of total irrationality in which people have apparently come to believe that it is a deadly plague, killing nearly all it touches.....or, alternatively, it is nothing more than a mild cold. No wonder it is difficult for government to chart a course when there are vociferous nutters and zealots on both sides, trying to use the pandemic to undermine governments.....and that is why press and politicians want to rush to premature judgements.Covid19 is a matter of swings and roundabouts. No government on the planet has perfectly insulated their people from impacts - different governments have simply decided which sort of impacts they are content for their country to take. Every government has also made mistakes - and there are more still to be made.

[panama7] 05/7/2021 07:11

TF, Idiot where is the peer reviewed papers that say masks protect you from a virus and don't lead to oxygen deprivation and hypoxia. You really need to stay behind your sofa for the rest of your life.

[torquayfan] 05/7/2021 00:32

An interesting survey inside the DT's lead atm shows 79% in the UK will ditch face mask use unless it is compulsory - (that after being effectively 'coached' to demean their use for months and months, by the BJ Govt as the pandemic got under way).

Sunday an earlier DT lead featuring Robert Jenrick was lauding such abandonment. That's now replaced by this - "Ministers will also warn that some shops and public transport may still enforce the wearing of masks even though it would no longer be a legal requirement to do so. The Prime Minister will tell the public they need to “carefully manage” the risks of Covid as he sets out plans for the final steps of his roadmap at a Downing Street press conference this afternoon."

I agree with this - "Prof Stephen Reicher at the University of St Andrews, a member of the Sage subcommittee advising on behavioural science, said it was frightening to have ministers “who want to make all protections a matter of personal choice when the key message of the pandemic is “this isn’t an ‘I’ thing, it’s a ‘we’ thing.” "

Frightening indeed. Incompetent Government again - all this briefing and floundering as if BJ is frightened to be held responsible for what the Govt. might decide. Pathetic.

Let's hope cases stop rising, no more variants appear and that the situation re. Children and Schools carries no surprises. The Govt. position tolerating these high caseloads is totally irresponsible. Experience should have taught us by now, to avoid situations where 'unknown' results are left to fortune.

Back to Scancell now, for me . . . .

[inanaco] 04/7/2021 22:41

lets pull down the statues ,

[moljen] 04/7/2021 22:29

Gaz, too many beers tonight to comprehend proper;y ... was going to be something deep and meaningful next but forgotten wtf it was is was going to be.
Ah well, till we break 23p and see where the powers in charge decide what is fair n reasonable

[gazza] 04/7/2021 22:17

Evening Ivy, All.It's typical cult mentality. Once you've signed up to the ideology, Independent thought goes out the window. All actions of the cult and the leaders are beyond criticism. Even the most obvious mistakes are overlooked.

[inanaco] 04/7/2021 21:55

Ivy the issue is ......

Tf is not allowing any opinion other than his own ...........

"""Inan I'm not angry at your blind support of all things BJ - incredulous is a better word. Let's hope UK cases don't increase again this week . . . . ."""

incredulous
unwilling or unable to believe something.

Blackholes ... they exist

the theory of containment of a New Virus

doesn't

Nobody had wrote the book ......... only for Flu

[panama7] 04/7/2021 21:17

Gecko, yeah a Great man a real Humnitarian. He will definitely stand up and fight for what is right

[geckotheglorious] 04/7/2021 21:15

Neil Oliver: 'Government should leave our kids alone'

[ivyspivey] 04/7/2021 21:10

Inanaco yep opinions are fine and if formed on individual issues then I accept that.
My beef is with politicians of all sides and to some extent supporters who simply believe that everything the Party they support do or say is always right and every decision a good one and are unwilling to countenance any criticism.

Thought you may be interested in link I posted as about T cells and immmune response but highlights memory cells interaction.

[emptyend] 04/7/2021 20:54

I'd thought it had been really obvious for ages that there was a strong correlation between viral load and severity of outcomes.....which is why this case-counting approach (that treats everyone with a sore throat the same as those who are terminally sick with Covid19 as identically ill) is nonsense.

[inanaco] 04/7/2021 20:26

Ivy

""simply not exercising independent thought"

but i gave my opinion ...

ATB