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[panama7] 26/1/2021 11:35

Goy, TF, Bermuda, suggest you check out the stories in Gibraltar since they started vaccinating. Let's see you all put a spin on it.

[inanaco] 26/1/2021 11:33

And if you Don't control it .................. welcome to Coronavirus Manaus P1 linage ... Data to follow

Most are dying of Suffocation and the death rate is horrendous .. that is what happens when the health service is over whelmed


Our data show that >70% of the population had been infected in Manaus about 7 months after the virus first arrived in the city. This is above the theoretical herd immunity threshold. However, prior infection may not confer long-lasting immunity (30, 31). Indeed, we observed rapid antibody waning in Manaus, consistent with other reports that have shown signal waning on the Abbott IgG assay (14, 32). However, other commercial assays, with different designs or targeting different antigens, have more stable signal (14), and there is evidence for a robust neutralizing antibody response several months out from infection (33). Rare reports of reinfection have been confirmed (34), but the frequency of its occurrence remains an open question (35). Manaus represents a “sentinel” population, giving us a data-based indication of what may happen if SARS-CoV-2 is allowed to spread largely unmitigated. Further seroepidemiological, molecular, and genomic surveillance studies in the region are required urgently to determine the longevity of population immunity, the correlation with the observed antibody waning, and the diversity of circulating lineages. Monitoring of new cases and the ratio of local versus imported cases will also be vital to understand the extent to which population immunity might prevent future transmission, and the potential need for booster vaccinations to bolster protective immunity

[inanaco] 26/1/2021 11:25

another Top Up

Quantity 6,896 at 14.4200p

[panama7] 26/1/2021 11:22

Wanderer, you are the voice of sanity. Strange that the WEF made a video in 2016 looking ahead to the year 2025 and in the video the characters were wearing face masks. Goy and Torquay yeah let's just lock everything down , just on the radio more kids now in hospital due to mental health issues than medical conditions. Teenage suicide rates doubled. This Government has more than the blood of the elderly on their hands but yeah let's just keep on locking down.

[wanderer1210_0] 26/1/2021 11:09

We need to bite the bullet, protect the vulnerable and get the country back to work and kids to school. The government have even said they can't believe they have got away with taking so much freedom away. My thoughts are there will still be morons wearing face mask in 10 years time and swerving 2 metres around you in the shops, (those that have survived)

[torquayfan] 26/1/2021 10:54

Goy you commented - 'restrictions are more difficult to impose in a western democracy', I replied, 'well of course'. So I acknowledged that fully. OK now ?

Th. has been extremely lucky but did close the borders early on, that's all. Re. vaccines, rumours of some AZ arriving but I'll believe it when I see it. And Siam Pharma have licence to make 16 million AZ doses (?) but I'll believe that when it happens too.

Dinner time so I'm off. Nice evening to you.

[goyathlay] 26/1/2021 10:48

Priti Vacant's word for what she apparently said back in March may well be a retrospective justification as there doesn't appear to be an independent confirmation of her advice.

Of course, stringent border controls should be maintained.

But you feel reluctant to acknowledge the fact that a tinpot dictatorship with negligible rule of law can introduce measures that would be less palatable to a liberal western democracy. You are comparing apples with oranges.

Indeed, vaccinations in all countries should be prioritised so as to limit mutations etc.

Your adoptive homeland, which you appear to be holding up as some paragon of viral rectitude, doesn't seem to be doing too well, sadly.


"Thailand set to start Covid-19 vaccinations Feb 14"

FEBRUARY 14TH!

Link won't post: search Bangkok Post with the above title.

[panama7] 26/1/2021 10:46

Goy, the measures are most definitely not proportionate and limited. Where is the cost impact analysis that the Government have been asked about on numerous occasions and still failed to produce. In simple terms we are destroying millions of lives to save a few thousand. As far as the 100,000 who have been put down as Covid deaths , how many actually died directly of Covid. Why for the first time in history has the recording of death certificates been changed. As far as limited goes , there is no limitations as to what the Government can do under their emergency powers, how many times have the Government already moved the goal posts yet failed when asked to provide the Scientific evidence.

[dominiccummings] 26/1/2021 10:45

Sorry to pour cold water, but shutting our borders can only be a temporary help (if at all). Until every country in the world has beaten Covid back it will simply re-enter the UK whenever we open up our borders.

[torquayfan] 26/1/2021 10:25

Goy - you ask, "Why should our difficulties bother you so much?". To answer, well, they are not just your difficulties they are mine too but the details of that are none of your business. I won't start recounting all the UK's unfortunate issues in response.

As for this - 'restrictions are more difficult to impose in a western democracy', well of course. But I'm with Pritti Patel with the border issue (since last March it seems) and difficult or not, I think you'll find more 'restrictions' are coming.

I posted - "Coming back to the point that for the UK to achieve control, the virus and it's mutations have to be conquered by the UK inside ongoing tough border controls. Because there will be partial vaccination levels around the World and ongoing cross spreading via international travel, the problem won't go away otherwise."

Sorry to offend - but do you actually have a view on that ?

[goyathlay] 26/1/2021 10:20

Panama,

we still live in a liberal democracy with the temporary suspension of some liberties due to an unprecedented public health emergency.You remain sadly in denial of this fact.

You must try and understand that the suite of liberties enjoyed in such a country are trumped by the more fundamental Right to Life, and that such derogation is permitted when there is a serious threat to life, provided that the measures taken are proportionate and limited.

[panama7] 26/1/2021 10:09

Goy, we stopped living in a Liberal Western Democracy a year ago. What is it you people don't get, it seems to me you are scared to face up to the realities of what is really going on in the U.K. do tell us goy when will be able to go to a Pub or Restaurant, live sport or music festival without any restrictions and when will be able to leave and return this Island without any restrictions.

[goyathlay] 26/1/2021 09:30

It's a great shame that you aren't running the country Turkey Fan, instead of living in a military dictatorship, with a laughable head of state and a dubious rule of law.

As we have already explained to you ad nauseam, restrictions are more difficult to impose in a liberal western democracy. By contrast, in an authoritarian regime, anything is possible. Like this, for example.

''Thailand: 87-year prison sentence handed in harshest lèse majesté conviction''



Why should our difficulties bother you so much? You have chosen to live abroad and your views from the high hill of such a wretched place are irrelevant to us.

[maverick081267] 26/1/2021 09:11

Those 50000 blocks? Sells or buys??

[torquayfan] 26/1/2021 08:52

Gazza - yes it's a long article from behind the paywall. I thought about posting a few paras but it didn't make sense that way.

Although the EU's order for 80 million doses was apparently paid for in advance, the Pharmas should be distributing in sequence of orders received and should be left alone to maximise production without involving themselves in the politics of who gets what. Orders received first and scheduled first should be supplied first.

Coming back to the point that for the UK to achieve control, the virus and it's mutations have to be conquered by the UK inside ongoing tough border controls. Because there will be partial vaccination levels around the World and ongoing cross spreading via international travel, the problem won't go away otherwise.

The UK is making excellent progress with vaccination but it's important to remember that many millions of doses will be needed to complete the second doses scheduled. So I wonder at what rate the UK will be able to give first doses after February 15th.

I'm thankful that the UK Govt moved quick on the vaccine trail - but there's a very long way to go. ATB

[oldnotwise] 26/1/2021 08:02

14.26/14,44

[gazza] 26/1/2021 06:50

TF,
Great novel. I like the cliff-hanger at the end setting it up for a sequel.

[panama7] 25/1/2021 16:11

Bermuda, already the efficacy is not what we were told. Numerous deaths, thousands of ADR's the media and Pharma are trying to sweep under the carpet. What happened to the 40 patients on the Moderna trial that received a vaccination but were not included in the results.