Powerhouse Energy Share Discussion Threads

[superg1] 23/6/2017 08:02

On the point if investor interest.

I track ITM power and the tech and sector has never really got punters excited to invest.

In the case of PHE whether it £5 mill M/C or £30 mill M/C it's no different it's just sentiment and buyer interest that gets some AIMs on ridiculous completely unjustified market caps with muppet PIs set to lose the lot.

So in PHE terms it seems it would hit £30m to £50m only on solid progress.

At that point solid progress would equate to units going in and working well/deals etc.

At that point if well proven with good uptake then it could skip on to multiples of that M/C too.

With such security on the tech and growing sakes base investors then are willing to bet heavy.

Of course the move to 6 to 10 times the market cap would see investor interest anyway with the herd arriving.

Take AGM in a diffrent sector their tech doesn't work, isn't proven and they have nothing else, yet the M/C shifts between £40-£50 mill. They lie and mislead investors. That's why the AIM is nuts with no real valuations.

I imagine the PHE BOD are confused how the M/C can be so small re the potential.

That's just the way it is on the AIM, loved or unloved with very few loved ones being able to justify their market cap.

Now look at HNR at that con...... fortunately the odd PI is waking up to it but some will get caught.

[dolphin158] 21/6/2017 20:03

Own research that didn't know about the restrictions on paying dividends when there are accumulated losses and not aware that the company has prepared detailed investors presentation with a 7 year pay back period for a 25 today unit.

[warwick69] 21/6/2017 18:12

Take-Over Risk

The Company may become the target of a take-over bid by any number of larger entities in the waste management, energy recovery, or energy production industries. It is expected that any take-over bid or attempted acquisition would be to the benefit of shareholders and the Board would work diligently to ensure that would be the case. The Board believes that this risk will be mitigated by successfully growing our commercial operations and increasing the market capitalisation.


Another indication that we are going by places

[warwick69] 21/6/2017 18:04

Well that's your opinion as you are a complete idiot I would rather trust in my own research and my own skill set what makes you the great all ian guru!!!

We shall soon see if I am right and if I am I will accept your apology gracefully

Paul warwick

[warwick69] 21/6/2017 15:01

It does not really matter who has been selling all that matters is who are the lucky ones holding when the demonstration and subsequent third party verification allows confirmation of firm orders then we are off to the races and a new higher range Still a good opportunity for those that have not yet jumped on board Good luck all not long now

[nelson5100] 21/6/2017 13:30

At least it will help to offset the apparent sale of shares issued to Renewme.

In May 2016 they received 90,932,961 shares yet in the 2016 accounts there are not listed in the significant shareholders list. Have they sold all their shares?

Instead, there is disclosed a Ferlim Nominees Limited holding 59,682,961 shares. Is this Renewme holding its remaining shares in a Nominee account?

If so it would indicate they have sold 31,250,000 shares which at 0.5p would be £156,250, just £737 more than the £155,513 outstanding liability due to Renewme in the 2015 accounts.

[warwick69] 21/6/2017 13:00

More shares being purchased for long term

[dolphin158] 20/6/2017 21:59

Warwick69 As this would be market sensitive information then it could not be disclosed privately but only via an RNS.

How's the reading about the Disclosure and Transparency Rules have they all been made for the effective changes in shareholding percentages even though there has been no buying but only the company has issued more shares?

[dolphin158] 20/6/2017 21:54

Imagine this hypothetical scenario, a company announces some good news and the shares spike in price. At the same time it issues a bulk allotment of shares announcing that these are to be locked in for a 12 month period.

But, what if in my hypothetical scenario that the shareholder who received this bulk allotment borrows some money from say an Equities First company and puts the share up as collateral. What is to stop the loan company from immediately selling the shares and if the share price drops then the shareholder has to put up my collateral or forfeit the shares??

The lender is happy as they would have sold the shares at a high price but the market wouldn't know who was selling as there would be a 13 month lock in period. The shareholder is happy having effectively sold their shares by borrowing against them and then only forfeiting the shares rather than repaying the loan.
The issuing company is happy at not having to pay the shareholder but instead had only had a bulk issue if shares.

My what a hypothetical scenario. Although it wasn't that long ago when a similar situation arises at Quindell and some of the directors had used their shares as collateral with Equities First.

[warwick69] 20/6/2017 21:53

Dolphin ring the company and ask them yourself

[warwick69] 20/6/2017 21:52

Johncraven You have no idea what you are talking about go and do some research yes there will be 1.27 billion when Hillgrove loan conversion is complete and yes there may well be a further placing but even if there was 2 billion shares with a mcap of circa 30 million we would still be at 1.5p I would expect more like 1.4 billion and mcap 45 million by year end and 3.2p share price

[dolphin158] 20/6/2017 20:32

Tomorrow will be 18 weeks since the cash element of Hilgrove's debenture loan was paid.

Why the delay in alloting and having admitted to Aim the 280 million in number shares to redeem the remaining £1.4 million balance on Hilgrove's debenture??

Why would any lender forego interest at 15% on £1.4million for at least 18 weeks??

[johncraven2] 20/6/2017 20:19

1bn shs+ by end of the year. This will end badly for punters.


Company Mcap grow bigger but wealth going to annihilated.

[superg1] 20/6/2017 12:16

Thanks trout posted out after my post, I'd been busy so hadn't spotted it.

ADVFN should go bust at some point anyway (that would be a great day) and they are just a scam with the many 1000's of false non existent registered users.

I assume the company themselves created them early on and they quote registered users to excite the market and potential advertisers which of course is lies if they include the false ones which no doubt they do.

This site like the Nomads and MMs is rotten to the core Imo.

[troutisout] 20/6/2017 12:10

superg1,
You are , of course, aware that ADVFN haven't been able to stream, LSE off order book trades yesterday and today. So any trading with MMs has not been published by ADVFN.

So that means that there may have been some trading you are unaware of and more importantly many people have stopped trading as they are blind to live prices in many small caps...

[warwick69] 20/6/2017 12:04

1.000.000 buy at .80 tick up coming

[superg1] 20/6/2017 11:28

If you speak to the old guys pre the web and all the digital info a motor-cycle courier would arrive with a file for the preferred to read. They would then wait and take the file away. Then the recipient would most buy or sell depending on what the file (inside info) said.

[bronislav] 20/6/2017 11:22

Superg...agree one hundred percent.For me its more important to TRY to second guess what the market makers are up to ie letting people in ,preference given to privalaged clients..To do that they play around with the spread to accomodate trades.Fear and greed allows them to play their games.Where there are humans involve patterns of behaviour are inevitable and this is the same for market makers.We just need to watch and the clues are there...very difficult though or we would all be millionaires.

[warwick69] 20/6/2017 09:15

Some lucky buyers getting .7622 a real bargain IMHO