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[jl5006] 01/2/2021 17:34

Wilson Callaghan Barnett Healey - these Lab guys did it all - shall I go on about the way Lab dealt with housing./

No lifts M8 and just created ghettos.
Labour for the living just like the Ivry tower blocks in Paris. not just in Ivry

just blame the builders not the creators of death.

[jl5006] 01/2/2021 17:25

diku
Building Control (LA)should have authorised building materials - I guess as authorised by central dept. Building regs.
All building works should have been controlled by LA - was this N Ken.
Any developer who used materials that were approved on the list cannot be held to be culpable. However should the cladding later be found to be flawed then surely the case rests with Govt at the time LABOUR - who palpably failed to maintain a watchful eye on the product rather than n Kens LA
BTW
it was Labour who built the 20 floor blocks - without due care or attention everywhere!

[1carus] 01/2/2021 16:53

Utricky... point taken and agree. If I was living in England I would be raising issue with my MP to raise a motion to stop the SNP relentlessly wasting precious time in the House of commons by bringing up the same points over and over that are specific to Scotland. The only thing for debate in the HOC should be English issues, which the SNP are excluded from and UK wide issues. As it stands the SNP don't actually have a legal position for a referendum. So the speaker should pretty much close down IB everytime he stands up. The man hours he wastes is staggering. TBF Holyrood from that point runs a tighter ship, if someone was doing that up here every week they would just get removed from the chamber I am sure.

[deme1] 01/2/2021 16:52

Ftse up and Lloy struggling.

20p all over

[xxxxxy] 01/2/2021 16:28

SNP is the Politics of Tribalism.The British Family of Nations is far bigger than that.

[xxxxxy] 01/2/2021 16:26

The EU mask slips – and it's not a pretty faceFebruary 01, 2021By Jonathan SaxtyTHE TEMPORARY but explosive decision by the EU to invoke Article 16 of the Northern Irish Protocol is highly significant. It was not an accident, as some have claimed, but a calculated decision only reversed once it prompted near universal condemnation. Make no mistake, the mask slipped and the precedent has been set. What Brussels did once, it can surely do again. The institution which insisted there could be no 'hard border' was in fact imposing one.  The Protocol is utterly pernicious anyway, leaving Northern Ireland in the EU customs union and single market, overseen by the ECJ. A smart border could have been created where the existing border already is. Of course, since the turn of the year, the Protocol has predictably caused logistical problems, with supermarkets calling to resolve difficulties in moving goods across the Irish Sea. Nevertheless, in showing such scant regard for the Protocol, in the long run Brussels may have actually done the UK a favour. Article 16 allows either side to act unilaterally if measures imposed as a result of the Protocol cause "serious economic, societal or environmental difficulties that are liable to persist". According to Jess Sargeant for the Institute for Government, the circumstances did not justify the use of Article 16. According to Ms Sargeant: "The EU's justification, that the use of article 16 was necessary to avert "serious societal difficulties" that would arise if the supply of vaccines to member states was undermined, fell well short of that high bar." She added that there wasn't any "prior notification of the UK government, and it appears to have acted without consulting the Irish representation in Brussels or the government in Dublin."  As Professors Katy Hayward and David Phinnemore argued in a blog post for the London School of Economics, Article 16 is clear that "unilateral safeguard measures" should be 'restricted with regard to their scope and duration' and to what is 'strictly necessary'. However, the principal "means by which part of the Protocol can be disapplied is the democratic consent mechanism in Article 18 which requires a majority of members of the Northern Ireland Assembly, if asked, to provide their consent for the continued application of Articles 5-10." Meanwhile, should either side "deem it necessary to take unilateral action, there is a process to be followed", something "set out in Annex 7 to the Protocol."  According to Professors Hayward and Phinnemore: "First, if either party is 'considering' unilaterally adopting safeguard measures it must notify the other party 'without delay' and through the Joint Committee. When doing so, it must provide 'all relevant information' (i.e. details of the 'serious economic, societal or environmental difficulties'), why these necessitate unilateral action, what the proposed action is, and its justification. The UK and EU then immediately enter into consultation with a view to finding a 'commonly acceptable solution'." Clearly the EU did none of this. In fact, the EU, which last year attacked the 'Internal Market Bill' – designed to correct aspects of the Protocol – for supposedly breaking international law, thought nothing of breaching the terms of the Protocol. In a world in which the Covid cloud hasn't cleared, China and India could be on the brink of war, stock markets are going haywire and China's recovery could be set back (Taiwan's growth officially outpaced China's for the first time in decades) – European retailers now face goods shortages as shipping costs soar. The EU – beset by social unrest (including in the usually placid Netherlands) and economic turmoil – is lashing out, with Brexit Britain the obvious target lest other member states follow the UK's example. Such a strategy may, of course, further alienate Eurosceptic Club Med, as well as restless countries of the former Warsaw Pact.  Friday's decision and climbdown was evidence of an EU in turmoil – but the EU did at least show its true colours. The Conservative Government never needed to sign up to the Protocol. It was the first time in peacetime a country voluntarily partitioned itself. Given the contempt the EU has shown the Protocol, the UK and indeed Ireland, calls will surely increase for the UK to ditch the Protocol and put the border back on the island of Ireland – something which, for a few hours at least, the EU agreed with.

[utrickytrees] 01/2/2021 16:11

1carus I am aware I have a tendency to tar all Scots with the same brush BUT unionists need to get a fkin grip then the SNP hold 48 of 59 seats in Scotland. I'm sure many Scots naively think a vote for the SNP in national elections will give Scotland more clout in Westminster...but it's the wrong clout though, the SNP are antagonist and were all fed up with listing to their whiney voices. Unless Unionists wake up & start getting behind a single party the SNP are going to succeed.

[xxxxxy] 01/2/2021 15:56

Nigel Farage@Nigel_Farage23mThe GameStop Saga Proves Populism is Here to Stay. .... We'll see.

[jl5006] 01/2/2021 15:32

So what is mine is mine and what is yours to be shared- with me of course --- is the new world motto?

Who pays for R & D . No R & D no progress EH?
This cant be a gime world -

[psychochopper] 01/2/2021 15:23

“ You'll find out soon enough that I'm right but you probably don't have the maturity to accept the facts as they appear.”

Better than you, Min - you can’t even accept that facts of today are facts.

Your stupidity makes me chortle. You simply don’t know what you don’t know.

[minerve 2] 01/2/2021 14:58

When does an out-of-touch old fart come to realise he is out-of-touch?

LOL!

This thread is great.

Love it!

[mikemichael2] 01/2/2021 14:30

Eurozone growth close to stalling as French and Italian GDPs shrink
This article is more than 1 year old

Brexit could further damage bloc’s economy, which grew just 0.1% in final quarter of 2019

We can all play that game Min !!!!

[patientcapital] 01/2/2021 14:22

Sounds like you've tried it.