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[geckotheglorious] 20/10/2020 20:53

"maxk
Post 317219
"Have you Trumpo bashers ever stopped to wonder why so many zillionaires are backing Sleepy Joe?Civic conscience, love of the little people??"

No,they're too thick Maxk.

[geckotheglorious] 20/10/2020 20:34

gbh2
Post 12833
"We'd all be susceptible to catching Bubonic plague if it were to reoccur here"

Indeed which is why focus on boosting one immunity/general health is key.
No junk food, but food high in nutrients. Vitamnin D/C and Zinc supplements.

And lose that weight fatso!!!

:)

Yours fellow fattie

[jl5006] 20/10/2020 20:28

Oh Dear we not got a clue?

[maxk] 20/10/2020 20:00

Re: Alphorn20 Oct '20 - 16:01 - 317230


Good spot Alp. Swings and roundabouts I suppose. No mention of why E Lilly were moving back to the states.



xxxxxy20 Oct '20 - 17:36 - 317232

This ones a bit of a worry. Seems to contradict the newsflow. Who knows?



Then this at 7 o/c in the Graun


UK refuses to restart Brexit talks despite EU accepting its demands
No 10 unmoved even after Barnier’s offer prompts Gove to make U-turn at dispatch box

Daniel Boffey and Lisa O'Carroll

Mon 19 Oct 2020 18.48 BSTFirst published on Mon 19 Oct 2020 16.59 BST


Michael Gove performs Brexit U-turn at dispatch box – video


Downing Street has refused to restart Brexit deal negotiations despite Michael Gove performing a U-turn at the dispatch box in which he praised a “constructive move” by the EU minutes after declaring the talks “effectively ended”.

The EU’s chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, seemingly agreed to all the government’s demands for the resumption of Brexit talks in pursuit of a deal – sending a tweet just as Gove was making a statement in the Commons castigating the bloc.

[jl5006] 20/10/2020 19:09

Sorry careful
But u need to know.

[jl5006] 20/10/2020 19:04

Just remember
Voltaire disclosed in the 18th century
Doctors put drugs,of which they knew little into bodies, of which they knew less, for diseases, of which they knew nothing at all.
Seems nothing has changed -

Dont forget jenner


But these were diseases

[jl5006] 20/10/2020 18:45

Well the Sage experts said
Sage 1 lockdown and the vulnerableslock - and we will /
Sage 2 close all non essential businesses
sage 3 relax those controls but put others in place
These measures did not reduce the number of identified non death bcos more testing took place

And who is saying the NHS is overwhelmeds there anything more guaranteed to stir public emotion than the prospect of the NHS running out of intensive care beds and Covid-19 victims being left to die in corridors? First, we were told, that beds in Liverpool were 95 per cent full, then we were told those in Manchester were 80 per cent full. Wow, it is easy to think: it will only take a few more people on the general ward to develop complications and the NHS will have to throw in the towel.
No wonder a Downing Street briefing yesterday dangled the prediction that the North West would run out of ICU capacity by November 12. Who, hearing that, would not support the Government’s efforts to place Greater Manchester in Tier 3 of its Covid restrictions, forcing the closure of all pubs and banning household mixing?
Except, that is, that the spectre of the NHS running out of intensive care beds isn’t quite all it seems. When The Manchester Evening News sought statistics on the occupancy of intensive care beds it was at first passed backwards and forwards between NHS England and the Department for Health and Social Care (DHSC). Eventually, the newspaper obtained figures from No10 suggesting that Stockport NHS trust had 100 per cent of its beds full, Salford 91 per cent, Bolton 81 per cent and the Manchester Foundation Trust 70 per cent. A leaked document seen by The Observer suggested that on Friday 82 per cent of intensive care beds in Greater Manchester were occupied.
However alarming that might sound, comparisons with recent years suggest this is perfectly normal for this time of year. The NHS does not operate with large numbers of empty ICU beds; it has a small everyday capacity which can then be supplemented by "surge" capacity – ie other beds converted into ICU beds temporarily. Moreover, it relies on being able to transfer patients between hospitals – so the fact that one hospital might seem to be at capacity does not necessarily indicate stress on the whole system.
This is how the NHS was able to cope even at the height of the first wave in April, when there were far more Covid patients requiring hospitalisation than there are now – and without, apart from a few patients admitted in East London, resorting to the Nightingale hospitals which had been built at huge speed and huge cost. At the peak of the first wave in April, 17,172 hospital beds across England were occupied by Covid-19 patients, and 5,402 patients were in beds with ventilators. This Monday, there were 2,881 Covid patients in hospital and 528 were in beds with ventilators (not necessarily actually hooked up to ventilators).
In other words, in spite of scare stories about ICU units already overflowing, at present there are only a tenth as many Covid patients in them as there were at the peak of the crisis. Obviously, there is a fear that the second wave of the epidemic is still rising – although figures for the City of Manchester suggest that the seven day rolling average of new infections peaked on October 3 and has since fallen back sharply, so it is not immediately obvious where a surge in emergency cases will come from.
But the danger of spreading false stories about overflowing ICU units is that it will discourage desperately ill people from seeking treatment for conditions other than Covid-19. We have already seen how lethal this can be, with an extra 2,085 deaths from heart disease and stroke between March 2 and June 30, compared with the five-year average. So far this year, an extra 25,000 people have died at home compared with the five year average – some of whom, no doubt, would have died anyway, even had they made it to hospital, but not all. That is the price of telling people to "protect the NHS" and spreading alarmist stories about overflowing ICU units.

Ross Clark Tel


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[corby3] 20/10/2020 17:41

Have you Trumpo bashers ever stopped to wonder why so many zillionaires are backing Sleepy Joe?

maxk...Strangely the so called market geniuses on MSNBC are now saying that a Biden victory is not bad at all, it will bring some calm into the markets and is already being discounted.

Jim Cramer gave the statistics of the markets since Kennedy. The stockmarket did better under Democrat administrations than under Republicans.

While we all know it doesn't make much difference to those in the know, are they expecting Trump to lose.

[mr.elbee] 20/10/2020 17:40

it was over in April GuSS

[xxxxxy] 20/10/2020 17:36

Gover and out! Michael Gove reveals negotiation breakdown is just a charadeOctober 20, 2020By Jonathan SaxtyI HATE TO say I warned you, but repeatedly you have been warned. This Government is not likely to risk the perceived bad PR of no deal given its own manufacturing of the impoverishment of the UK through lockdowns. Michael Gove has appeared to indicate now that the Government will implement the dreadful Withdrawal Agreement (WA) and Northern Ireland Protocol (NIP). The Internal Market Bill was designed to correct all this, but the bill appears to have been little more than a negotiating tactic. Recent appeals for the Government to repudiate the Withdrawal Agreement and all that goes with it – including articles by leading academics and legal experts, as well as experienced politicians – seem to have fallen on deaf ears.  If the WA and NIP are implemented, Brexit will be done in name only. The NIP would effectively partition Northern Ireland into the EU's Customs Union. Northern Ireland would have to continue adopting EU state aid laws, as well as EU laws in respect of excise and VAT, and a whole lot else.  The Prime Minister should have ditched the WA between his election victory in December and when Parliament approved the WA in January. That was when he had a golden opportunity to rid Britain of tens of billions of euros in liabilities, other continuing financial obligations, CJEU interference in the UK and of course the partitioning of Northern Ireland. Lest we forget, when it comes to Brexit, the EU has not negotiated in good faith. Under Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union, the UK had the right to leave the EU pursuant to its own constitutional requirements. Both in its collusion with anti-Brexit forces and its attempt to partition the UK with a border down the Irish Sea, Brussels has acted in breach of these obligations.  Much has been made about the UK Government's apparent attempt to breach international law by undermining the WA. Yet the EU's behaviour over the last four years has rendered any obligations it may claim the UK has as null and void. Indeed, the EU has paid scant regard to international law on more than one occasion.  The biggest and most important contractual obligation the Prime Minister has is with the British people to deliver his manifesto pledges on Brexit. In case people have forgotten, these are:  to take back control of our laws,  our borders,  our cash  and our fishing.  A failure to do so would be a betrayal of democracy itself.  A plain reading of the WA reveals that it does not deliver these promises, it undermines them. The Internal Market Bill of course was backtracked on at the first sign of backbench rebellion in a Parliamentary Conservative Party which remains split on the issue of leaving the EU. Far from the conspiracy theory that the PM does not want a deal, the evidence would seem to suggest that a fudge or compromise is getting closer. Friday's statement by Boris Johnson very much left the door open to continued negotiations, despite the headlines. Michael Gove's rejection of repudiating the Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration in the Commons yesterday only strengthens the conviction a compromising deal is in the making. Much of what we are currently seeing is probably theatre for domestic audiences – in the EU's case, there are many of those. Remember, the public is never privy to everything. Who knows what is being said or planned behind closed doors?  It was a shock to many Brexiteers when Michael Gove made his announcement on the WA. I am afraid it was no surprise to me. In fact, the biggest surprise to me now would be an actual proper Brexit. I also believe I speak for many, especially younger people, when I say the future stretches out right now as a fairly hopeless void. 

[mikemichael2] 20/10/2020 16:38

'Fiddler Freddy'

That made me laugh!!

[alphorn] 20/10/2020 16:01

max - you mean this one?

"The 47-acre (19 hectare) campus will be acquired from Eli Lilly and Company Limited (US BigPharma) and was formerly its second largest research site worldwide".

Eli Lilly has struck a deal to sell a U.K. R&D campus to UCB. The deal positions UCB to turn the former Lilly neuroscience center into one of its three global R&D hubs.

Lilly outlined plans to close its Erl Wood facility in Windlesham in Surrey, England, 12 months ago as part of a decision to relocate neuroscience research to Massachusetts.

..........sounds a little different. (Better than a close down all the same btw).

[xxxxxy] 20/10/2020 15:59

3:36pmDaimler warns hard Brexit would carry heavy costsA hard Brexit will cost Daimler hundreds millions of euros, the boss of the Mercedes-Benz parent warned.... Daily Telegraph

[sr2day] 20/10/2020 15:35

more doctors definitely going by the garbage a lot on here talk about and irrelevant to lloyds.

[utrickytrees] 20/10/2020 14:32

G2, Bakers a good man, aerospace engineer, talks a lot of sense and very influential.
Unfortunately the standard of politicians in the HOC isn't what it was particularly where Labour are concerned. Burnham has made some good points and has the backing of local Tory MP's. It's a shame that a Labour Mayor & a bunch of Tory MP's are having to do the work of the shadow cabinet who are truly woeful.

[k38] 20/10/2020 14:26

Boris do not trust Brussels mafia.. and why that old cow still around. She lost the support from the people and politicians. Send her home Boris. She is a disgrace "politician".

[k38] 20/10/2020 14:19

I agree and that's why the youths and the healthy must go back to work as usual (see 12794 post) and at thesame time we all must follow the 3 simple rules. Also, the government must stop wasting money and try to support everyone instead support the NHS... more nurses, doctors, salaries and whatever is needed to protect the ones who needed.

[grahamite2] 20/10/2020 14:12

Utricky, I'm totally with Steve Baker on this!

Burnham, good socialist as he is, has got his hand out rather than making any point of principle.

[k38] 20/10/2020 14:02

The hypocrisy of this world has no boundaries... One Q, how many people are dying every year from the wars greate by the powerful nations just to benefit politically and economically.. Let the people live their lives unless there's a secret plan in place and destroying the economies is a major part of it.