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[chavitravi2] 20/8/2020 14:09

Yanks on que.

[alphorn] 20/8/2020 13:43

Expect a watered down deal once Boris works out how to sell it to the masses. Long sterling; may help Lloy.

[careful] 20/8/2020 13:42

maxk

No wish to dig up the old Brexit arguments, but we did help to write the rules, all for our mutual benefit.
If there were rules we did not like we could have vetoed them.

That is an important point, that is how the EU. works.

The negotiation will be difficult, we shall wish to keep all of our trading freedoms and advantages, especially in financial services which we dominate, whilst at the same time 'taking back control' of our borders, fishing grounds and everything else.

I wish them good luck with that lot.

At the same time the tough negotiation with Americans are running into troubled waters.

The Americans are protectionist and have a 'buy American first' policy.
When Trump talks of a great trade deal, he means he wants to sell us stuff, and take control of the UK economy.

[maxk] 20/8/2020 13:34

A reasonable deal is all any of us want, no special favours.

Being subject to €urolands rules and regulations and diktats is not sensible.

Hence, stalemate.

[careful] 20/8/2020 13:24

We shall see how strong he recovery is in the autumn winter.
When the furlow scheme ends.

With the whole world in economic chaos, we are forgetting Brexit.
We need a reasonable deal there also.

How long can the Worlds central bankers keep on printing money and piling on debt.
Debt levels far higher than at any time in history.

No wonder Buffett is buying gold, he must worried.
He did not believe in it in the past.

[xxxxxy] 20/8/2020 13:23

Alternatively, again from Daily Telegraph, Allister Heath...bearish on Britain. Our economy, trashed by Covid and the lockdown, is about to be sucked into a catastrophic doom loop, with no escape hatch. Forget about a V-shaped recovery: the future is a truncated square root, with years of stagnant growth to follow a partial rebound next year. We are leaving the EU, but are set for Eurozone-style semi-stagnation. It's a tragedy.Why such negativity? Savage tax increases of a kind ordinarily associated with Left-wing governments now seem almost inevitable, and I fear that one entire plank of what should have been the Johnsonian renewal agenda – supply-side, pro-growth tax relief – will never materialise.Remember how Boris Johnson talked about raising the threshold for the higher income tax rate to £80,000 during his leadership campaign (though it was omitted from his manifesto)... Who knows.

[alexgc] 20/8/2020 13:13

reading minervas drivel in the header I am so glad I filtered the creature. What a life it lives, I can't believe anyone pays any attention to it

[xxxxxy] 20/8/2020 12:31

UK racing ahead of world as reopening fires up economyAfter a deep crash, Britain is getting back to work faster than mostAlmost every industry in Britain is growing faster than its competitors around the world, further raising hopes of a 'v-shaped' recovery as the economy gets back to work.The UK is well ahead of the global average in terms of returning to growth, according to a Lloyds Bank analysis of IHS Markit's business surveys across different countries.Twelve of the 14 industries tracked showed growth above the global benchmark, the bank said, led by metals and mining, and by chemicals.....Daily Telegraph..... POSITIVE.

[patientcapital] 20/8/2020 12:16

Even then the teenage scribblers are probably being too optimistic themselves. So many variables could derail a recovery. Perhaps it is all priced in. Perhaps it isn't.

[grahamite2] 20/8/2020 12:06

It was obviously staged and corrupt otherwise you wouldn't have had a problem with a second referendum

Drivel. The call for a second referendum was the whining of a little boy who has lost a game of conkers and demands the best of three. It was very obvious and no-one fell for it.

[xxxxxy] 20/8/2020 11:30

819.Use HS2 money saved more effectively. Forget grand projects and ego stuff. Want good stuff. Stuff that works . Seen enough of PHEs and the rest. Sack the Elite and employ Doers and people with brains. Rule out public school twits.

[xxxxxy] 20/8/2020 11:27

Iain MoorePosted August 20, 2020 at 7:20 am | PermalinkIf driverless cars are now a possibility, why don't we already have driverless trains, especially on the tube? And why Oh why, when we are told train companies and transport for London are losing money hand over fist because people are not using public transport, and have no intention to , are we building that monstrous waste of money HS2? It was a gross waste of money before Covid , it is a massive waste of money now.

[geckotheglorious] 20/8/2020 11:06

Watch out Mike, she might swipe you with her faux leopard skin hand bag!

[bbalanjones] 20/8/2020 10:43

A current Tweet on the state of Politics UK

Many of us have similar feelings. When you look at our history without rose-tinted Empire glasses, you realise just how obnoxious a nation we’ve been and are. Still there’s always time to change. A fundamental and radical new written constitution and electoral system to start.

Brexiteers beware!!

also from Twitterland

"You're not alone. I always knew there was cronyism within politics, but the sheer contempt that the Tories have for us in openly throwing money at each other is beyond sickening. They are acting like they know that regardless of how they behave they will be re-elected. Wonder why?"

"Same story with every right wing populist party around the globe. Each have used a sinister method of appearing to juxtapose against the ‘elite’ when it is the elite who they are and whom they represent."
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[mikemichael2] 20/8/2020 10:38

'I'll carry on with my whinges whether here or in your face in real life. What are you going to do about it big boy'

Ooo, sorry min, please don't bash me up!!!

[minerve 2] 20/8/2020 10:32

"Staged referendum = didn't produce the result I wanted.

That's the left for you!"


It was obviously staged and corrupt otherwise you wouldn't have had a problem with a second referendum when we were all better informed as to the consequences. Instead you Brexiters were all running scared like little chickens from a small fox.

Also, it isn't going to produce the results you want neither. But you are so ignorant and stupid you don't realise it yet.

That's the Thatcher right geriatrics for you! ;)

[xxxxxy] 20/8/2020 10:29

Keep up the pressure.Boycott the EUSSR.And particularly Boycott France.No Deal.WTO

[xxxxxy] 20/8/2020 10:28

REVEALED : EU's land-grab from UK, using just 0.2% of its total imports as the excuseHow the expansionist EU and the Irish Government plotted to take UK territory?© Brexit Facts4EU.Org 2020Facts4EU.Org reveals the truth behind the Northern Ireland border and the EU's colonial ambitionsToday, Thursday 20 Aug 2020, UK Chief Negotiator David Frost is once again in Brussels for Round Seven of the UK-EU trade talks with the EU Commission's Michel Barnier. The two sides will be covering much of the same ground as before and little progress is expected by either side.The most fundamental issue is a trade deal and the EU shows no sign of acceding to the UK's perfectly reasonable request for an agreement very similar to the ones the EU has recently negotiated with other countries.Meanwhile, the abomination that is the Withdrawal Agreement still standsOne of the most contentious areas of the Withdrawal Agreement originally negotiated by Theresa May was the Northern Ireland Protocol. Whilst Boris Johnson and David Frost renegotiated this, it remains unacceptable.This has nothing to do with peace, and everything to do with the dictatorial and colonial EUThe EU and the Irish government colluded over one issue and made it into a cause célèbre to try to keep the UK in the EU - and to punish the UK if it actually delivered on the result of the EU Referendum and left. Below we present the evidence.FACTS4EU.ORG IRISH BORDER SUMMARYJust 0.23% of the EU's global imports cross the border from Northern IrelandThe Irish border is only mentioned once – in passing – in the Good Friday Agreement (GFA)The GFA does not require membership of the EU, Customs Union, Single Market [NI court ruling]HMRC, Irish Customs, and the EU Parliament's expert report all saw no problem & no hard borderBrexit for Northern Ireland presents almost no risk to the EU or its Single MarketThe N.I. exports over the border will account for only 0.2% of total EU importsThe EU and the Irish Government prevented UK and Irish Customs from agreeing a simple solutionHere is the evidenceThe EU Parliament's own commissioned expert told its Exiting the EU Committee:-"There would not need to be any necessary infrastructure and not need to be either CCTV cameras or number plate readers."– Lars Karlsson, commissioned expert to the EU Parliament, Brexit Border/Customs Report, Mar 2018, former Director Of The World Customs Organization."Declarations would be electronic. Most transactions would be immediately approved and that would be the end of that."- Liam Irwin, then Irish Revenue Commissioner, evidence to the Dáil Committee, 16 May 2017There is no quantifiable risk to the EU's Single MarketNorthern Ireland's goods sales across the border are so small they will amount to a rounding error in the EU's accounts, post-Brexit.After Brexit, NI's cross-border sales will account for just 0.23% of total imports into the EU. [Sources : Eurostat | HMRC | NISRA ]0.23% is NOT any kind of threat to the integrity of the EU's Single Market.Click to enlarge chart - © Brexit Facts4EU.Org?How the EU and Irish government colluded in this deceptionThe EU and the Irish Government deliberately prevented a solution for three yearsIrish Deputy, Committee of the Dáil: "Could Mr Cody clarify whether there is a legal impediment to negotiations between us [and the UK] so we can have discussions?" Mr Niall Cody (then head of Irish Customs): "Yes."Sir Jon Thompson, Head of HMRC, evidence to Exiting the European Union Committee, 29 Nov 2017 : "There are no formal conversations with either the French or the Irish. We cannot talk to Customs or taxation management organisations in either of those countries."UK Parliament Committee question to the EU's commissioned customs expert, Lars Karlsson: "The proposal you've put here hasn't actually been tested at any location anywhere in the world."Lars Karlsson: "No that's not correct. It actually has."Peace in Northern Ireland is vital. Playing politics with that peace to punish the UK is a disgrace.OBSERVATIONSThe fundamental fact in this report is this:Just 0.23% of the EU's global imports cross the border from Northern IrelandFor this miniscule detail, the EU and Irish Governments fabricated the N.I. border issue, claiming that somehow the integrity of the entire Single Market was at stake because of Brexit.We believe the EU did so for two main reasons: 1. They wanted to punish the UK by getting it to cede control of part of its territory, and 2. It served their colonial ambitions in what would effectively be a land-grab.We believe the Irish Government colluded in this for two reasons: 1. To curry favour with Brussels, and 2. To achieve a united Ireland.As we have shown above, it was perfectly possible to establish unobtrusive new border arrangements on the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic. Instead, the EU chose to fabricate a complete non-issue for its own ends.To play politics like this with such a sensitive issue is, in our view, a disgrace. Those of us who remember the decades of the Troubles know how difficult it was to reach the Good Friday Agreement. Many would still object to this Agreement on many levels, but that is a different matter.The simple fact is that relative peace was achieved. And the EU have spent the last four years putting this peace in jeopardy.Please help us to keep going with a small donation today. Monthly donations help us even more, as they allow us to plan resource. Quick and secure donation methods are below. Thank you so much for anything you can do.

[grahamite2] 20/8/2020 10:26

Staged referendum = didn't produce the result I wanted.

That's the left for you!

[bbalanjones] 20/8/2020 10:20

M2: Could be though that BoJo makes a bold move to Privatise NI, Scotland and Wales first. Any policy will do for him and his ilk.

[diku] 20/8/2020 10:17

Trump only interested in self pride and how well the Dow and Nas are doing...doesn't mention what the FED is doing...

[minerve 2] 20/8/2020 10:15

Plans by Boris Johnson’s government to pass legislation to underpin a new UK internal market after the end of the Brexit transition period will “accelerate the break-up of the Union”, the Welsh administration has said. - FT