Lloyds Banking Share Discussion Threads

[minerve 2] 13/1/2020 21:50

Well Flybe could be going down the tubes....

WOW, under the Tories we have never had it so good.

Never mind, the blue rinse brigade have long since needed to travel. The furthest they go is to the local pound shop, golf club or hairdresser.

This is utopia isn't it folks.

We have a pocket full of rainbows and oh such a beautiful blue sky to put them in.

[k38] 13/1/2020 21:18

50p it's far too low unless there's a good reason.

At this moment, in my opinion without any news, the share price react to the gaps at 62p and 54p respectively.

[maxk] 13/1/2020 20:42

There you go, and dont die of boredom.

[warranty] 13/1/2020 20:26

Can somebody direct me to the Lloyds discussion board please?

[gbh2] 13/1/2020 20:22

Nothing stops the Greedy directors frequently dipping their snouts for a few more cheap shares!

[alphorn] 13/1/2020 19:25

PC - I think that it was solely to boost the UK numbers. 5% is a big number!

[k38] 13/1/2020 18:23

On the Edinburgh Agreement it says is that both parties agree to respect the result of the referendum. This paragraph reminds me of something but what.... useless politicians...lol bob.

[utrickytrees] 13/1/2020 18:23

Loving Harry n Megan getting off their asses and doing their bit for UK PLC. William does FA perhaps he should go to Australia?

[maxk] 13/1/2020 18:20

Now look here you unionist thugs. That's not what bob wants to hear.

[jacko07] 13/1/2020 17:37

Bloody hell Boabby, you are going to have to stop cutting and pasting these essays. 'Brevity is the Soul of wit' or as Chekhov wrote 'The Sister of Talent.

It would have been easier to say, the brilliant, talented and wise politician Alister Jack said Westminster will not grant a Section 30 order to remove legal barriers to such a vote in Nicola Sturgeon’s lifetime, saying her party will have to wait until “a generation or a lifetime has passed” to ask the public again.

The comments triggered a huge response, leading Jack to become the number one trending topic on Scottish Twitter and as many as 60% of canny Scots agreeing with Alister.

[utrickytrees] 13/1/2020 17:33

Bob tbh I think hes got a point regarding pledges that a vote for unionism would ensure membership of the EU. Unfortunately it's not worked out the way it was anticipated. In many respects the plight of the Nationalists is very similar to that of leave. If you examine the time line and effort which went into leave, (the seeds were sown in 1974) I think if nothing else you will get a more realistic idea of what's going to be required to get your plight over the line. The difference between the Nationalists & leave is that leave didn't blow their one an only chance of a referendum & the main reasons for that was credible personel & cross party commitment to Brexit & cracks appearing in the EU project at an opportune moment.
IMO the SNP lack credibility & leadership they need to take a long look at themselves, theres no shortcut to getting a 2nd referendum until they get more support it's just a waste of everyone's time m8. NB, I'm sorry that a few home truths have to be levelled at Scotland & the SNP but the union doesn't revolve around Scotland irrespective of how hard you stamp your feet.

[mitchy] 13/1/2020 17:28

Not looking good now. Market up but lloy down 2.6% so im expecting more down side for the rest of the week perhaps but one never knows with lloy It could easily spike up on positive news. Just can't think what that might be at the moment. Could we see 50 p again ? Think I'll hold off adding again just in case we do.

[eeza] 13/1/2020 17:22

Monty is always negative when he's looking for an entry point.

The reverse is also true - always ramping when looking for the exit.

Handcranker.

[wendsworth] 13/1/2020 17:20

k38 : It's tempting at current level .. but your 56p entry sounds about right.

[k38] 13/1/2020 17:16

I am thinking, 56p it's a good entry with a topping up at 54p

[muffinhead] 13/1/2020 15:57

Rate cut when base rate is at 0.75% is useless
It's just talk for now by BOE to keep gilt rates and sterling under control

Government and central banks will go down the fiscal expansion route. Monetary policy has run out of road. Follow the Trump doctrine.

[bargainbob] 13/1/2020 15:45

Utrickytrees , just for you.



Alister Jack has killed Scottish unionism weegingerdug
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The monkey has spoken, although we are still waiting for the organ grinder. Even though Boris Johnson has still not been bothered to reply to the Scottish Government's demand for a Section 30 order transferring the power to hold independence referendums permanently to the Scottish Parliament, Alister Jack has squeaked up in return for being tossed a peanut in the shape of an interview on BBC Scotland's Sunday Politics Show. His boss has far more important things to be getting on with, like recovering from his holiday in Mustique, and avoiding going to the House of Commons to speak about the Iran crisis.

Alister took to the airwaves to announce to Gordon Brewer that there will be no second independence referendum within the lifetime of Nicola Sturgeon. Alister has reinterpreted the definition of generation to mean the lifetime of anyone alive today. We've all heard the expression "over my dead body", but when as Alister just did and said "over your dead body" then that can only be interpreted as a threat. "Over Your Dead Body" is in fact the title of a Japanese horror movie based on a kabuki play in which the leading player uses their influence to get a major part in a drama for a friend even though the role is way beyond his limited capabilities. It all ends very badly and does not go at all as the white faced protagonists intended it. So it's an allegory for the story of Boris and Alister then.

Not until you're all dead is a very strange definition of respecting the right of the people of Scotland to choose the form of government best suited to their needs. What Alister is really saying is that he doesn't think that he should ever have to face another independence referendum at any point during his own lifetime, and then he had the audacity to claim that the Conservatives have a mandate for this strangulation of democracy.

Alister claimed that this imaginary mandate is based upon the Edinburgh Agreement, where it seems that there's a paragraph written in invisible ink that says that if Scotland voted no then it's up to the Tories to decide when there can be another referendum. It's either that or Alister is frantically reaching for a straw to clutch at. Only in his case it's an invisible imaginary straw that doesn't actually exist. There is absolutely nothing in the Edinburgh Agreement which puts any limits on when there can be another independence referendum. All it says is that both parties agree to respect the result of the referendum. It says absolutely nothing at all about Scotland not being allowed another referendum even if the winning side doesn't fulfil the promises and commitments it made to the people of Scotland in order to get the winning result.

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The exact wording in the Edinburgh Agreement is as follows. It was agreed that the Scottish Government and the UK government agree that the independence referendum should "deliver a fair test and a decisive expression of the views of people in Scotland and a result that everyone will respect." That's the line upon which Alister is basing his spurious and frankly ludicrous claim to possessing a mandate for blocking another referendum.

Yet it's hardly a "fair test" if the winning side in the referendum effectively lied, cheated, and misrepresented itself. All sorts of promises and commitments were made by the Better Together parties during that referendum campaign, and those were the promises and commitments which led voters in Scotland in cast their ballot in a particular way. One of those promises was telling people in Scotland that the only way Scotland could remain within the EU was by voting against independence. We all know how that worked out. Another was that Scotland would be an equal and respected partner in a family of nations. Only it turned out that Scotland was ignored, marginalised and sidelined at every turn during the Brexit negotiations. Another was the the powers of the Scottish Parliament would be enshrined in law and put beyond the ability of any Westminster government to alter without the express consent of Holyrood. Only the British Government sought a Supreme Court ruling which found that the wording in the 2016 Scotland Act putting the Sewel Convention into law could be ignored by Westminster.

It was Westminster which traduced the Edinburgh Agreement. It's the Conservatives who have not been respecting the result of the 2014 referendum. Respecting a result doesn't mean cheating and lying to get a win and then demanding that no one can challenge you once your lies are discovered. The Tories are like an Olympic athlete who drugged themselves to the eyeballs on steroids to win the gold and then refused to allow a rematch for the medal and the title after they'd been found out.

Yet Alister's arrogant cluelessness, his stomping about in a constitutional play that's way beyond his performance ability, has revealed something important. The traditional Scottish Unionism that was once espoused by Alister's party is dead. The Tories have killed in for the short term gain of trying to block an independence referendum.

Traditional Scottish Unionism was founded upon the belief that Scotland is not a colony, that it's a free and willing partner in the UK and remains so because that is the express will of the people of Scotland. Traditional Scottish Unionism held that this was true because Unionists believed that the Union was unchallengeable, that it would last forever, that independence was a marginal view that would never gain traction. As long as it was founded upon that arrogance, Scottish Unionists could tell Scotland and the world that Scotland was no colony, no possession. We were better than that. That's the fundamental arrogance of unionism.

The rise in support for independence changed all that. Independence is no longer a marginal force in Scottish politics. It's a very real threat to the privileges and position of the likes of Alister Jack. So the Alisters of this world can no longer afford to indulge the sensibilities of Scotland by claiming that this is a free and voluntary union. The fig leaf has been ripped away. Traditional Scottish Unionism has been stripped of its clothing of partnership, and we see the naked imperial beast underneath. In the next referendum the Alisters will not be able to pretend that this is a debate between Scottish nationalism and British non-nationalism. We can all see now that this is a debate between an arrogant and anti-democratic reactionary British nationalism, and Scottish independence.

Naturally this shocking development representing the death of traditional Scottish Unionism and the reaction to it and its implications was the lead item on BBC Scotland's lunchtime news. Oh wait. No. The lead story was that we're getting bad weather in Scotland in the wintertime. But the real storm is the one that's breaking for opponents of independence. The gales of independence will blow them into oblivion.

[mikemichael2] 13/1/2020 15:43

Lloyds doing well, i blame the brexiteers, what do you say Min??

[gotnorolex] 13/1/2020 15:37

The Tories have repeatedly applauded Scotland’s vote and the decision of their people to stay within the Union & secure it's presence for a lifetime as a proud participating country of these Isles.

[gotnorolex] 13/1/2020 15:28

Tommy Sheppard the SNP shadow always in the dark!.......Chuckle Twin LOL! ;~)

[montyhedge] 13/1/2020 15:08

BOE could have a rate cut, possible May, not good for UK banks on margins.

[gotnorolex] 13/1/2020 15:02

PO I went to Boarding School myself and can confirm childhood play deprivations and parental absence after class and during term times! Needed an exeat on a false premise to cross the road to buy a Crunchie Bar because the Tuck Shop was not allowed to sell them for fear of rotten teeth! No chit needed if you were confined to the Sick Room with glandular fever and decided to do a bunk down a drainpipe to the local Cinema for the 9:30 show! Best days of my life!