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[jacko07] 12/1/2019 12:59

We are 90% toward the end of this, as soon as we get Brexit and Remainers actually absorb that the Bogeyman hasn't ended their lives. Within weeks all will begin to fall into place. Merkel is all but a dead duck, Macron already is, but be sure that the real owners of Germany, France, Italy and the smaller economies will still be ambitious for the UK to buy their, produce wine and cars. The French are petrified that Australia, Chile, New Zealand, South Africa will want to take their share of te UK huge Wine market. Same with German, French and Italian cars. Same with everything that can be produced by other countries.

The only Continent that has exerienced less growth than Europe is Antarctica. The EU is a graveyard of low growth; the only continent with lower growth is currently Antarctica. That is partly because of the sclerotic one-size-fits-all Brussels approach to regulation; but, worse, in the last decade the EU has been suffering from a self-inflicted economic disaster – the Euro

Brexit is the future. It will inject life into the UK which for the last thirty years has been propping up a failing Europe. We should be our own Master again, not an island that lost it's identity the day John Major became PM.

We are ruled by unelected, corrupt, bureaucrats who form hundreds of undemocratic quango's committees, who have a rainforest of rules and regulations that we never voted for. Name one Brussels manadarin who is a leader, who is experienced enough to lead like a Churchill, or a Thatcher or a Roosevelt. Instead we got Grey man Major, then Blair, Brown, Cameron who piece by piece agreed to every European treaty made up by faceless bureacrats in order to make us weaker and weaker until in January 2016 when we dared ask for concessions. These little tinpot dictators sent Cameron back with the message 'we are the Boss' you will accept free movement, you will accept what we tell you!!!

[jacko07] 12/1/2019 12:59

Ditto posted twice

[careful] 12/1/2019 12:57

Brexiteers fought and fought and fought again for 40 years to break from the EU.
You must not expect remainers to go down without a similar fight.

I would think another vote would set a record for turnout.

2015 General election. turnout 66.4%
2017 General election. turnout 69%
2017 Referendum. turnout 72.21%

2019 Referendum? my guess would be 75%.
The winner next time could poll 19m.

there will be no appetite for yet a third, the results of the second would be unlikely to change, and everyone would accept the result apart from the extreme nutters, and they do not matter.

[excell1] 12/1/2019 12:09

Funny how some cannot accept the vote of the British people and leave the EU.If the vote had gone the other way I would have accepted the democratic vote.
The people against parliament.

[minerve] 12/1/2019 11:57

Well, if that is the case let us have a second referendum then.

It seems some of your notable heavyweight backers like Peter Hargreaves and Crispen Odey don't share your view.

[jpjohn1] 12/1/2019 11:53

Wrong Minerve, their is even more people who would want to leave now.

[jpjohn1] 12/1/2019 11:30

Unfortunately fatnacker the likes of Minerve, careful and a few others will not listen. They have their minds closed on the subject, and no matter how much people try to explain to them they won't listen to logic

[diku] 12/1/2019 11:27

Do I hear EU are having their elections in May this year...and top jobs are up for grabs...how about give Tony Blair the top job and see the EU countries start leaving one by one!!!...

[jpjohn1] 12/1/2019 11:24

I agree, she is and always will be a Remainer. The Conservatives were mad to put her in charge

[minerve] 12/1/2019 11:24

fatnaker

You cannot claim that a Hard-Brexit is what you voted for! That is the most wildest and most general assumption I have heard EVER and it is a notion propagated by the Hard-Brexit dunderheads who see their Hard-Brexit silly dream disappearing quickly.

Hard-Brexiters are attempting to make it look like they have the mandate from all Leave voters which is simply not true.

The vote was to Leave the EU and that is what a Soft-Brexit delivers. The vote didn't describe any future relationships we have with the EU and to what extent. If you assumed something in that Leave vote then quite frankly that is YOUR problem and YOUR stupidity.

[jpjohn1] 12/1/2019 11:20

Totally agree fatnacker, those who want to remain will not except they lost the biggest vote we have had in this country. They never will, and don't believe in Democracy

[mr.elbee] 12/1/2019 11:17

The two years was to drive everybody mad with boredom so they would give in to any deal..Whilst that is undoubtedly true of the pathetic creatures called MP's, it is not true of the wider public..A new vote would lead to an even bigger leave majority IMHO.

Which is why that aint going to happen either.

[fatnacker] 12/1/2019 11:12

Minerve, a "hard brexit" is what we voted for is it not? there wasn't a proviso in the referendum mandate that suggested we would have to settle for a watered down half measure was there? if there was please point me in its direction, two years wasted talking to a brick wall when they (our government) should have been preparing to fulfill the referendum promise, pointless talking about or listing pro's and cons as they would just be our opinions, I'm astonished that people still haven't accepted the referendum result including yourself, it wasn't 50/50 by the way, brexit won full stop.

[mr.elbee] 12/1/2019 11:02

no john, she hoped it would so bore the public that they would settle for any deal..................... it was a carefully crafted plan...but that may be true for the MP's....but not the public..Positions have hardened on both sides and a lot of remainers are wanting out forever.

[minerve] 12/1/2019 10:58

fatnacker

Even though Leave won the vote the country is nearly split 50/50. If you want something to last it has to appease the majority in that 50/50 split. If we Remain or have a Hard-Brexit then things will remain unsettled for along time.

Another question: What is wrong with the EU rule? Do you think the UK government will do anything better for you?

List them.

[mr.elbee] 12/1/2019 10:57

Tygarreg...you may well be right . I have a very famous internationally respected musical friend with a small business importing musical instruments from Asia.
For two years he has been dissing my educated attempts to get him to see reality ...i.e. that there is NOT ONE reason for staying in a corrupt and failing EU...he was the arch remainer par excellence..And it has been difficult to maintain the good friendship through all of this. I am sure there are others here who could say the same.

Well yesterday he said he wants out..NO DEAL and nothing ever to do again with the EU.

Now as a matter of interest ,has anyone heard ANY remainer arguments and evidence over the last few months? Cos I havent, and with the EU slipping into permanent recession, with Poland Hungary and Italy ganging up on Macron and Merkel and now the Greeks wanting £264 billion in reparations for the war[Good on' em!]


A new vote would lead to a pro brexit landslide. And that is why NO Deal is the way and no extension of article 50

[fatnacker] 12/1/2019 10:52

careful, best advice is if you want to live in and be governed by the EU go and live in a pro EU country, the UK isn't pro EU as evidenced by the referendum result and I don't think it ever was, if as you seem to maintain we're leaving in name only and nothing will change then why are you so staunchly against it?

[careful] 12/1/2019 10:34

many remainers were hoping that after over 2 years Brexit voters would know that 'taking back control was a lie'.

We never lost control.
HMG spends £800bn per year, and only £9bn goes to the EU.
We control every aspect of our own country from education to defence to pensions to NHS etc.
Look where the cash is spent.

We were hoping the more intelligent Brexiteers would by now understand the EU. budget contributions.

the richer countries such as Germany and the UK. contribute most. Much is a sort of regional aid to develop more backward countries that in turn would be good markets for our products.
'Enlightened self interest' they call it, just as America baled out a bankrupt Britain after WW2 under the Marshall Aid programme. Europe also.

smart operators are the Yanks,

[jpjohn1] 12/1/2019 10:34

Careful have you ever thought its you that is out of touch with the General public. Everything post you put on here are pro EU. If you love it so much go and live in Europe. 90% + people on here believe in democracy if you had your way it would be total anarchy in the UK

[fatnacker] 12/1/2019 10:22

And there lies your problem careful, you belive what you want to belive including the divisive assumption that the young voted remain and the old voted leave, old, young, north, south, black white, every one of their votes count just as much as yours.

[careful] 12/1/2019 10:05

Joe
There will be a backlash to be sure either way.

Unemployed car workers wearing yellow jackets, angry workers in big Pharma, aerospace, finance, food processing, all on their protest marches.
...to say nothing of the angry energetic young declaring war on those sad old Brexiteers dreaming of war films in between sleeping in their armchairs.

Protests are a feature of modern life, never make any difference, they cancel each other out.

[careful] 12/1/2019 09:57

Everything is possible with agreement all round.
It has already been floated as an option and the EU will agree.
Labour has suggested extending, SNP and many others, no problems in parliament.

It is time everyone understood that there are no laws that are irrevocable.
No referenda or election results that are not reversible within our system.
This always will annoy those of us that got the result they wanted just once.

Some sections of the American constitution are virtually impossible to change but there are amendments.

Not so here, parliament in the house of commons is supreme, although the current battle between the executive and the MP's is constitutionally unusual.
Trump is having constitutional crisis right now in America.
public opinion is important.

The public have voted in left wing labour governments who have nationalised many industries, then kicked them out only to see them privatised.
This could reverse itself again under Corbyn.

People change their mind in the face of new information. It has happened for centuries.
Three years is a long time in politics.

[joe say] 12/1/2019 09:32

If we don't leave there will be one hell of a backlash

[montyhedge] 12/1/2019 09:19

May is trying to run down the clock, so to force the vote to yes, disgraceful really.