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[xxxxxy] 14/12/2018 13:12

Horatio McSherry
Posted December 14, 2018 at 9:51 am | Permalink
John,

Your colleagues in the Commons are conveniently forgetting that part of the reason Leave won was because David Cameron demonstrated clearly that the EU are unwilling (or unable) to negotiate because of their political goals. The EU won’t change their direction of travel, we don’t like that direction, therefore we have to leave. That’s the whole point of Brexit, surely?

No-one outside Westminster and the media is surprised by any of these developments.

[xxxxxy] 14/12/2018 13:04

The Prime Minister has changed her language back to reassurances from legal changes.


The withdrawal Agreement of May shackles us as a colony to the EU
Because:
TEMPORARY. What is ' temporary'.
Define 'temporary'

Income tax was a temporary tax to fund the Napoleonic Wars. It was was introduced in 1799 as a 'temporary' tax. But it is still with us. Just one example of 'temporary' effectively becoming permanent.

So May and her current Withdrawal Agreement had better rigorously define 'temporary' or any other waffle that she and her EU concocts.

Legal documents have to be rigorously DEFINED.

May has been blinded by the EU.
We, The People are not so gullible.

SO. DEFINE. TEMPORARY

The Backstop is temporary – what is this temporary?

SO. DEFINE. TEMPORARY

[xxxxxy] 14/12/2018 13:03

Update on Mrs May
By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: DECEMBER 14, 2018
Since I wrote this piece it has become clear that the EU is not in the business of re-opening the Agreement at all. They have also moved away from offering more formal reassurances which seemed to be on offer in draft. Instead more of them saying the disagreement between the Commons and the Prime Minister on the Agreement is another reason to need the backstop insurance. The Prime Minister has changed her language back to reassurances from legal changes.

It is difficult to see the DUP coming back on b0ard given the lack of any legal text to remove the backstop. Were there to be a change of heart by the EU in the new year on this matter, there are still considerably more Conservative MPs than the government majority with the DUP who oppose the Agreement for a wide range of reasons including sending them too much money, delaying our exit without a clear end date, and putting us under EU rules for an indeterminate period with no vote or voice on what new burdens and requirements they might impose.

[ekuuleus] 14/12/2018 13:01

why not monty? How can you guarantee it will be no 1 with a remain result?

Change is inevitable, regardless of staying in Europe or out. In fact, Europe seems to be accelerating it's pace of change. European Army, Euro currency, ECJ, court structures, Euro corporate taxes and direct tax from Europe. I guess you want that.

Not long now.

Even the Lloyds board is split on brexit with some members for brexit and some against.

[cannyshoveyergrannyoffthebus] 14/12/2018 12:58

Not long til the Yellow vests take to the UK streets ACeuk

[ekuuleus] 14/12/2018 12:45

why not monty? How can you guarantee it will be no 1 with a remain result?

Change is inevitable, regardless of staying in Europe or out.

Even the Lloyds board is split on brexit with some members for brexit and some against.

[careful] 14/12/2018 12:44

....but I would be happy with Amber Rudd or even Gove.
However;
Boris could be the man provided he soften his stance on our relationship with Europe. He was once a bit too pro Eu. for my taste.(Wanting to let Turkey in.)
He made some great speeches in favour of the eu. and his family are still pro eu.

They are of Turkish origin as we all know, but changed their name to Johnson. Boris was born American but is now fully fledged British after going to Eton.
The Johnson's changed their name from an unpronounceable Turkish name decades ago.

But Boris is Darwinian, he will adapt to survives his hero Churchill did when faced with the realities of office.

For the most complex reasons I would take a gamble and go for Boris.
Sometimes in life we have to take a contrarian punt, as in investing.

[minerve] 14/12/2018 12:36

May has days to get this right. If she can't she needs to allow change of course. Pushing the date back in hope that others change their mind under duress is disgraceful politics. Most politicians are behaving very badly ATM. As moronic as the society they now represent.

[careful] 14/12/2018 12:32

It is true that I have become more disillusioned with May.

She has never recovered from the general election disaster, she called it but said she would not, was terrible during the campaign, lost her overall majority handing the balance of power to the UDP just at the wrong time, and let Corbyn out of his cage to be a likely Prime Minister.

That mistake has changed history.

[minerve] 14/12/2018 12:27

careful

We will change our mind on the £39bn then. Nothing is certain until signed. I want to stay on good terms but I am certainly not going to see some f%ckwit Romanian PM talk down to us like he did yesterday. Where the f%ck does he think Romania is in the pecking order? People like that fuel Brexiters. Tw%t.

[grahamite2] 14/12/2018 12:21

886 blimey Mrs May's in trouble!

She's lost the support of careful, hitherto her most slavish lickspittle!

[k38] 14/12/2018 12:20

Exactly.. MT and her team must go now !!

[careful] 14/12/2018 12:14

With reference to the backstop our negotiating teams were outsmarted.
They are supposed to be the brightest and the best but fell for a sucker punch that Del Boy would have spotted easily.
Dominic Raab admitted as much on Marr this weekend, he came close to confessing.

When we agreed to 'we cannot remove the backstop unless we both agree' , they were in fact giving the EU. a veto on the uk leaving the customs union.
..because we have to stay in the customs union to stop border checks of goods across the Irish border.

I think we all agree that it is reasonable to check goods across the border if there is no deal. We in the UK will check goods across our borders at such a time.
They fell for it, so they are useless and not bright at all.

Having agreed this deal the UK. want to change their mind. Humiliating.

[minerve] 14/12/2018 12:11

cheshire and Poikka

Sorry but you are morons. There IS NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. No doubt whatsoever.

You are as thick as pig sh%t.

[k38] 14/12/2018 12:00

C PI am not worried about it. No major changes .That's how markets are operating.. Shaking out the weak and creating buy opportunities.

[poikka] 14/12/2018 11:57

For Careful, re trade deals etc. Required reading.

hxxps://www.economistsforfreetrade.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/A-World-Trade-Deal-The-Complete-Guide-Final-Upload.pdf

[k38] 14/12/2018 11:50

Too many mistakes from the conservatives.. They allow a weak (remainer) PM to deal with such an important issue.If they wanted to stay than all they had to do is to ignore the democratic decision of the voters (people's vote) and to except the Labour deal or get out out first and then start fresh talks with Brussels for a new deal afterwards.Brussels are desperately for UKs 40 billion and to sell their goods to UK customers.2 years are waisted. By now UK will had new deals, new negotiations with Brussels and a few billions more to invest in UK economy and above all the last democracy in today's world. Never too late. Get out now!!

[optomistic] 14/12/2018 11:37

Would the financial trading then be controlled by the French and the Germans?

[poikka] 14/12/2018 11:34

Minerve, I lost interest when you started to refer to those whom you disagree with as being "morons".

[montyhedge] 14/12/2018 11:28

London would not be No.1 financial trading hub on a no deal.

[mr.elbee] 14/12/2018 11:25

so what is the problem with a no deal ,apart from saving 39billion?

is it that the EU will then wage economic war? Never,surely!

[diku] 14/12/2018 11:17

From the media...think May went there to wish A Merry Christmas!...empty handed..


Jean-Claude Juncker, the European Commission president, said at a midnight press conference after the discussion: “I do find it uncomfortable that there’s an impression perhaps in the UK that it is for the EU to propose solutions.

“It is for the UK leaving the EU and I would have thought that it was rather more for the British government.”