Lloyds Banking Share Discussion Threads

[stonedyou] 13/12/2018 13:25

So you go to a meeting(Or did she) with the "HATED EU" gets nowhere

comes back because she`s outed the plotters, wins a confidence vote. Then

goes back to the "HATED EU" states that ‘I’m NOT expecting breakthrough'

She `s just going to one of them markets over there buying....French cheeses or

German sausages...or whatever before she resigns!!



EU SUMMIT LIVE: Abandon all Brexit hope? May admits ‘I’m NOT expecting breakthrough'



THERESA May has admitted she is "not expecting a breakthrough" as she arrived in Brussels today for

a showdown with EU chiefs at the European Council summit where she will seek fresh concessions for

her Brexit deal after emerging victorious from a confidence vote.

[k38] 13/12/2018 13:20

Alp
nothing to mix, I do know the difference and in Greece for example up to 3000 euro you have to pay a min amount . Tax start from zero.. today I hear thesame happens in France and Macron faces a confindence vote next week for his taxes rules.

[alphorn] 13/12/2018 13:07

k38 - I just doubt that this is true.

VAT etc is payable as you know on some purchases.

Income tax is never payable where there is no taxable income.

You are misunderstanding something (mixing up wealth tax, property tax, etc with income tax).

I am the last person probably on this bb that you should suggest follows overseas news!!!

(edit: there are plenty of UK 'taxes' payable without any income - VAT, vehicle tax, stamp duties, community charge to name a few).

[k38] 13/12/2018 12:59

Alp this is true, in other euroland countries too, for example Greece, they have thesame tax rules. They treat you as a criminal who is hitting your income. Very easy to find out. No link AlpRT report , asking ordinary people in the streets of France.You can learn so much by listening to other channel news. Not just the BBC ;)

[grahamite2] 13/12/2018 12:47

1carus, I'm not sure I agree we have the upper hand. But we DO have a hand - and HMG have been playing as if we had 9 high.

[alphorn] 13/12/2018 12:41

k38 - give me the fact or the reference and I will comment.

[k38] 13/12/2018 12:40

Alp You may you misunderstood my post. We talk about ordinary poor people without income. Stay in euroland and for sure you will become poorer. No the other way round!!

[alphorn] 13/12/2018 12:38

k38. That is true of any country that has an annual wealth tax.

Just why do you think so many uber rich come to London? For the weather? They pay no tax on their wealth.

[mr.elbee] 13/12/2018 12:35

1carus...what I have been trying to get the great and good to understand,with little response, is that we,an alleged democracy,are up against a totalitarian EU Commission. The EU does not care what happens to member state's economies as long as the UK gets punished. This is a fact because many European companies and diplomats in national states are already setting up bi -lateral deals with the UK to anticipate a No deal.

Such bi lateral deals are frowned upon by their lords and masters in Brussels.

the reason why no deal is a worry is purey this.. The EU will deliberately over enforce border checks and regulations to punish us...effectively an economic blockade,or war in an economic sense...and this is the elephant no one will talk about. If some one....any one ...could point this out...that the EU WILL NOT play fair by WTO rules and there is not a damn thing we can do about it...then the supporters of No deal might,just might, increase in number. No one in this country likes to be bossed around....and certainly not by unelected totalitarian bureaucrats of the Prussian persuasion.

[k38] 13/12/2018 12:34

Only in euroland ....France: No income? No problem, you still have to pay tax.Macron faces a no confidence vote next week.

[cm44] 13/12/2018 12:31

're 764,Grahamite2,
There must be a mountain of toweringly stupid people on EBay on a daily basis then.

[1carus] 13/12/2018 12:25

I seem to be missing something here. Maybe outside of Germany we have relatively the best economy in Europe in terms of size, gdp, tax raising ability, employment. It's looking like the eu have enough problems and will be weakened more when we leave. Our total trade with Europe is a large percentage of our total trade but effectively a smaller percentage of total eu trade, but the value deficit is massively in favour of the eu. This alone should have been the Tories negotiating strategy. Additionally, if we walk with no deal, punitive action by the eu will result the general uk public spending their pound elswhere rather than say typical vacation locations, and this will impact local eu economies harshly.. the thought of that will get each country pressurising for its own agenda. I voted remain, but willing to go along with the outcome, but it galls me that we have not used a plausible negotiating position. We have the upper hand, particularly if we are really happy to take no deal rather than any deal. We seem to be negotiating down to a no deal rather from up from a no deal.

[grahamite2] 13/12/2018 12:20

Aceuk 13 Dec '18 - 09:48 - 239743 of 239763
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Why are you Brexit nutters so thick?

This is only an agreement to start the real negotiations on the real deal (which should complete before 2022 I believe).

This has to be post of the year.

Just how "thick" do you have to be, Aceuk, to pay £39bn up front for a "real deal" on which you haven't even started the "real negotiations"?

This is exactly, but exactly analogous to a householder paying a builder in full before he's laid a brick. It is toweringly stupid.

[alphorn] 13/12/2018 12:08

cm44 - didn't understand your question on JRM and Lloyds.

[aceuk] 13/12/2018 11:55

Poikka couldn't lose the plot because he never found it - bit like most Brexiteers including Rees-Mogg, Johnson, Davis, Raab, etc.

;-)

[bolador] 13/12/2018 11:45

France now has a Macron retreat budget that is in breach of EU rules, similar to Italy.
The Italian pm is demanding that the EU issue the same orders and threats to France as they are in process of doing to Italy. Nice knot for the EU, one of many.
Yet the economic forecasting agencies mostly treat the EU as if it were an unchanging rock of stability whereas it will probably alter beyond recognition whilst Brexit is still in play.

[minerve] 13/12/2018 11:26

Poikka

I think you have quoted the wrong person. I didn't write that.

[action] 13/12/2018 11:24

MONTY

deal will be done now as per market otherwise black horse would be 47p

[poikka] 13/12/2018 11:22

Minerve - "Why do you lunatics persist in the belief you never have to agree anything with anybody anywhere again?"

Firstly, I reckon you need to control your language.

Secondly, I thought that you had me filtered - twice.

Thirdly, what on earth are you talking about. Wotever.

[minerve] 13/12/2018 11:13

Is that going to be a similar lottery win to your long BT trade? :)

[montyhedge] 13/12/2018 11:11

Best year ever, when Lloyd's hits 47p on a no deal. I have won the lottery.

[minerve] 13/12/2018 11:04

The brown stuff has been hitting YOUR stock market fan for the last four to five years Monty! ROFLMAO!

[mikemichael2] 13/12/2018 10:55

montyhedge - 12 Dec 2018 - 16:18:23 - 239610 of 239755 Black Beauty: A Recovering Quadruped - LLOY

She will lose vote tonight and the brown stuff going to hit the stock market fan in the morning. That’s my view.
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Lol.

[minerve] 13/12/2018 10:49

All those Brexiters against May, she won the confidence vote more convincingly than Brexiters won the referendum! So all this about not having a strong mandate and "fatally wounded" applies even more so to Leave than it does May. In otherwords, shut-up hypocrites. Calm down. Go and eat another banana.