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[aceuk] 28/11/2018 10:24

grahamite2 28 Nov '18 - 10:09 - 237833 of 237835

Over 50% think this is the best deal of what's on offer

As it's the only thing on offer it's surprising the figure isn't 100%.

As Alphorn asks regularly, why is it the only deal on offer? Why after two and a half years negotiating with (or at least talking to) Brussels did neither Johnson nor Davis come up with a deal to offer and why after 4 months in the job did Raab not have a clue what was happening?


Are the leave side just completely stupid?

[willoicc] 28/11/2018 10:17

May succeeded because the majority of Conservative MP's are Remoaners and so is the Cabinet.

May prevented David Davies negotiating any sort of Leave deal.

Chequers was a stitch up where ministers had to agree to the deal or resign, or be sacked, on the spot.

Why should Boris have allowed himself to be humiliated by having to walk out of Chequers after his ministerial car would have been withdrawn.

There should never have been any draft deal. The strongest position we had was that we were leaving without any further liabilities.

May converted this to a £39 billion giveaway and has no ongoing trade deal in return.

She is even worse than traitor heath.

bargainbob
28 Nov '18 - 06:15 - 237805 of 237832
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She has succeed because none of the Brexiteers have balls. They all ran at the first sign of hard work.

[maxk] 28/11/2018 10:10

Why are the remoaners hanging on the treasury's lastest guess work figs?

They have been wrong all the ay along, why would the latest figs be any different?

[grahamite2] 28/11/2018 10:09

Over 50% think this is the best deal of what's on offer

As it's the only thing on offer it's surprising the figure isn't 100%.

Anyway The Mail was well worth a look. Unsurprisingly, good old Nigel was behind The President's comments!

[cm44] 28/11/2018 09:58

Problem is ace that MPs ignore public polls,more interesting would be a poll of MPs intentions.

[aceuk] 28/11/2018 09:46

Front page of the Daily Mail is interesting:

Opinion pretty evenly split on doing the deal - about 40% for and 38% against from memory

Over 50% think this is the best deal of what's on offer (about 20% don't)

A large majority think if we don't leave now Britain's standing would be diminished

(Apologies I don't remember exact figures - only saw it briefly over a cup of tea around 7 o'clock)

[xxxxxy] 28/11/2018 09:46

DUNCAN
Posted November 27, 2018 at 6:39 am | Permalink
The UK’s economic relationship is only one aspect of the Leave argument. Far more important is the restoration of democratic and legal sovereignty to Parliament and back to the British people

We must cut all legal and constitutional ties with the EU. I resent the idea of non-UK politicians passing laws without British voters being able to hold them to account through a direct democratic mechanism

Remain voters are a godsend to autocratically minded politicians. Unbridled unaccountability is the endgame for all Europhile politicians. The weakening of democratic structures so that they can wield their power without having to seek approval from British voters. While we are forced to adhere to such laws, pay our taxes and have our voice removed.

Well, maybe there are Remain voters who have masochistic tendencies but most British people are democratic to their core and we despise politicians. Democracy is the only avenue we possess to hold these modern political animals to account. We can no longer view them as moral creatures.

Brexit is a vote for democratic accountability. Remain is a vote for a world in which the democratic voice is crushed

[alphorn] 28/11/2018 09:45

x5 not dumping May but you. (Filtered).

[xxxxxy] 28/11/2018 09:44

Hope
Posted November 27, 2018 at 9:21 am | Permalink
This week May is going to sign the UN. migration pact that many countries refuse to do because they want to retain control over migration and not give this sovereign right to the UN.

This will impact on immigration.

May’s withdrawal agreement gives EU citizens right to ECJ and their descendants! So much for brining back control of our laws, this will be a dual legal system in our own country! May originally had a red line for EU uncontrolled immigration to stop during her punishment extension, now it contues without and definite time limit for it to end.

[xxxxxy] 28/11/2018 09:43

STOP THE PERVERSION OF OUR DEMOCRACY.

DUMP MAY.

[minerve] 28/11/2018 09:42

I think also back then we were a net exporter of energy/commodity and now we are a net importer. That makes a huge difference.

Oh yes, the "post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy". Yeah, really worried about that one! 🙄

[alphorn] 28/11/2018 09:41

g - so your hypothesis two wrongs make a right? No wonder you are a Brexiteer with such sound logic!!

[alphorn] 28/11/2018 09:40

M - yep, I shall set up an IBM 360 in the cellar to do my computing from now on. ;)

[grahamite2] 28/11/2018 09:38

Redwood is warning against the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. That seems obvious enough - as is the fact the Treasury would unhesitatingly use a logically unsound argument if it served their purpose.

[minerve] 28/11/2018 09:37

"The Treasury want to know the impact of Brexit so they should go back and compare the growth rates we achieved in the EEC/EU with the growth rates we were experiencing post War before we joined."

Really? Do people take this seriously?

Growth rates post war? AKA Pre-globalisation? Pre-climate change science? Pre developed supply chains? Pre JIT manufacture? Pre-internet?

Does he really think statistics then are valid now? Anyone who thinks that is a valid argument need to seriously consider starting afresh and attending kindergarten on Monday morning.

[alphorn] 28/11/2018 09:35

Redwood must have totally lost it now - what have pre 1970's got to do with anything? Remind me, is that the time leading up to the IMF bailout of the UK and the UK withdrawing from the foreign exchange markets? Wow, what strength.

Next we shall have Redwood analysing the impact of the Napoleonic wars on the UK economy.

Clutching at straws is an understatement.

[xxxxxy] 28/11/2018 09:29

Will the Treasury tell us the cost of belonging to the EU – that is fact not fiction
By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: NOVEMBER 28, 2018
The Treasury want to know the impact of Brexit so they should go back and compare the growth rates we achieved in the EEC/EU with the growth rates we were experiencing post War before we joined. They would find our growth rate fell in the EU, so in their terms that means there was a big cost to belonging to the EU.

[minerve] 28/11/2018 09:26

Yeah but Brexiters don't care about the economy. They have their pensions, and they have their house equity, and they are detached from the real world.

[maxk] 28/11/2018 09:22

I wonder what nasty little worms are crawling around under cover?



Theresa May accused of 'dangerous' Brexit cover-up as she blocks full publication of legal advice on her deal




By Jack Maidment, Political Correspondent ;
Steven Swinford, Deputy Political Editor and
Gordon Rayner, Political Editor
27 November 2018 • 9:31pm


Theresa May will defy Parliament by blocking publication of the full legal advice behind her Brexit deal, prompting accusations of a cover-up.

Downing Street said a “position statement” will be published on the legality of the deal, rather than the “final and full advice” given to ministers.

Brexiteers claimed Mr May was refusing to reveal the advice because it will show that the Cabinet was warned that Mrs May's deal could leave the UK stuck in a customs union.



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[grahamite2] 28/11/2018 09:19

What, he's been taking maths lessons from Diane?

[alphorn] 28/11/2018 09:18

I know that the clowns on this thread will say that they know better and their tealeaf analyses show that the economy will double after Brexit as the updated government projections are announced tomorrow.

PH says today - All forms of Brexit will make the UK worse off. Analysis of the prime minister's Brexit deal shows the economy will be "slightly smaller", he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.
It comes as the government is due to publish its economic analysis on the long-term effects of Brexit on the UK. The Treasury will set out various scenarios - with the Daily Telegraph saying it will predict £150bn in lost output over 15 years under no deal, with Theresa May's plan costing £40bn.


As posted over the past 2 years - Brexit has no economic upsides IMO.

[diku] 28/11/2018 09:16

Think Corbyn has become accustomed to objecting everything the Torys say...as is in the job title...1 + 1 = not simply 2 but you get to 2 in a different shape & form...
1 + 1 + 3 + 5 - 8 = 2...