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[grahamite2] 11/1/2021 15:10

Great comment from Roy Grainger there, xxxxy!

[minerve 2] 11/1/2021 15:01

cheshire

My wealth has been made on the optimistic side of realism, not on the optimistic side of fantasy. I know my own ability and I am fully aware of the lack of ability in the UK public. ;)

[k38] 11/1/2021 14:44

You just can't trust labour!

[psychochopper] 11/1/2021 14:29

XXXXXY, you are wrong - there are riots. Apparently, people have been violently complaining of shortages of paint-thinner in all the shops around where M2 resides. It’s all gone.

He’s either drinking it or preparing some sort of mad atrocity. Could be right now - he’s not posted for 30 minutes.

[diku] 11/1/2021 14:27

$ up Lloy down..$ down lloy down...£ up lloy down..£ down Lloy down...FTSE up Lloy down...FTSE down lloy down...Brexit or no Brexit Lloy down...is there anything LLoy is not connected to?...should have sold off Scottish Widows when the going was good...return shareholder value back to shareholders...instead insiders share options galore...

[xxxxxy] 11/1/2021 14:09

Roy GraingerPosted January 11, 2021 at 7:26 am | PermalinkThe Remainers told us for years there would be riots and food shortages after we left the EU, now they've downgraded this to some bloke being unable to export live eels. It's laughable.

[utrickytrees] 11/1/2021 14:08

video turns or cassette turns?

[cheshire pete] 11/1/2021 13:59

proclaimed not admitted Aceuk....different spin.

[xxxxxy] 11/1/2021 13:58

Leave won because of "the steely courage of millions of voters," says Claire FoxSovereignty is NOT "xenophobic nationalism embraced only by knuckle-dragging gammon"?Above: Baroness Claire Fox, © Academy of Ideas"Having removed unelected rulers in Brussels, voters might now look closer to home"On Friday the House of Lords debated the EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement for the second time. Below we publish the speech made by Baroness Fox of Buckley, better known to many people as Claire Fox, former Brexit Party MEP for the North-West, and founder of the Academy of Ideas.In the upper chamber of Parliament, to be pro-Brexit is to find oneself in a very small minority amongst the ermined class. Undaunted, Baroness Fox expressed herself in typically robust and forthright fashion. We thought readers might want to see what she had to say to their Lordships. After the text of her speech, we are also including a few excerpts from the pro-EU speeches of other Members of the House of Lords on this subject.Speech in the House of Lords, Baroness Fox of Buckley (non-affiliated), Fri 08 Jan 2021Published with permission"My Lords, I voted for the agreement reluctantly. I would have preferred a clean break and the time to scrutinise the small print for the myriad traps it contains."However, to give credit to the noble Lord, Lord Frost, this agreement does deliver sovereignty, and that matters. While many in this place sneeringly traduce sovereignty as xenophobic nationalism embraced only by knuckle-dragging gammon, it is historically and now the only basis for democratic accountability. The demos voted to remove the unelected legislature in Brussels, unanswerable to UK voters. Now that is a reality, they may look at unelected lawmakers closer to home - good."Good also that the Government have nowhere to hide and will need to look the electorate in the eye and own each and every decision they make, including the egregious parts of this agreement. Voters matter."Listening to the hours of contributions last week - I was culled from the speakers' list - I noted a rather self-congratulatory, back-slapping tone from the Government Benches. It rang rather hollow.In truth, it was the perseverance and steely courage of millions of voters, who used the ballot box and electoral vehicles such as the pivotal Brexit Party time and again to pile on the pressure, that forced the Conservative Party finally to honour the referendum."Let us acknowledge that it is the voters who got Brexit done, against all the odds, against the machinations deployed by the highest echelons of the technocratic establishment and against many in this place who really believed that they had the right to overturn 17.4 million votes and shared with Donald Trump a refusal to give loser's consent and who even now, today, lack the imagination to see life beyond Brussels or Erasmus or to see Brexit beyond the narrow prism of GDP.?Baroness Claire Fox,House of Lords, 08 Jan 2021"Yes, this agreement has flaws, but its existence is proof that a democratic movement can change the course of history. In the context of lockdown Britain, when we will need every ounce of that democratic spirit, bravery and sovereign freedom to rebuild society, it will do for starters."- Baroness Fox of Buckley, House of Lords, 08 Jan 2021Commenting exclusively to Facts4EU.Org at the weekend, Baroness Fox told us:?"To be pro-Brexit in the House of Lords is to understand what being lonely feels like. To be fair, most on the Conservative benches - even those previously pro-EU - have accepted Brexit as a fact of life."But on opposition benches their bitter resistance, even now, to a democratic decision, was and is palpable. The fact that so many made petty-minded complaints about the tragedy of losing Erasmus and problems facing touring classical musicians, just made their comments even further removed from the grand principle of sovereignty, and even more stark."Meanwhile, party politics started to grate as Tories took all the credit for Brexit. What short memories. Facts4EU.Org has shown [see below – Ed.] using some of the comments in other speeches that day, just how little respect my colleagues feel for the democratic decision of the majority of the country."Some excerpts from speeches by their Rejoiner Lordships, 30 Dec 2020 and 08 Jan 2021Below we present a few excerpts from speeches made by other peers, in the two debates on Brexit in the past 10 days."Looking to the future, Labour, as an internationalist party, will forge a close relationship with the EU in the national interest - from the personal, where we want Erasmus-type arrangements so that our young people can live, work and study together, to industrial and service provision, where Europe-wide businesses will flourish where trade is easy, and with our consumers not only being spared import tariffs but having the ability to travel, holiday and explore the lands around our islands."- Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town (Lab)"On our global influence - the final test of government - the world has looked askance as the Brexit saga has played out. People have not been patting us on the back and congratulating us on our pluck and resolve; they have all asked, "Why on earth are you shooting yourselves in the foot?" Incoming President Biden has certainly made it clear where his priorities lie, and it is not with the UK. As of today, the UK has no foreign policy and no capacity to influence international events, or even standards-setting, as part of a single EU response. With a weakened economy, a decimated aid budget and a new reputation for untrustworthiness, our soft and hard power will be less than at any point since before the Napoleonic wars."- Lord Newby (LibDem)"... he is very much mistaken if he thinks the treaty has brought an end to our debates about the European question. My two daughters cried they heard the result of the referendum. They, along with millions of other young people, will not forget or forgive the wanton vandalism of the Brexiteers. Rest assured, the book is far from closed on this issue."- Lord Davies of Brixton (Lab)"The EU did not seek a tilted playing field of this kind. It was the British Government who insisted on power to degrade the rights of British workers. The intent is clear: the Government intend to degrade the rights of British workers. We are warned. We are shamed."- Lord Hendy (Lab)"Brexit and the debates that led to it have seen the release of powerful nationalist forces that will not be put to bed by Brexit."- Lord Alderdice (LibDem)OBSERVATIONSSome things have to be said while we still allowed to do soThe Facts4EU.Org team decided to publish Baroness Cox's speech because these things need to be said – and read.The December 2019 general election might have produced a House of Commons more in keeping with the views of the electorate than its predecessor, but there was no change in the second chamber. Their Lordships wittered on regardless, as if the vote to leave the European Union had been a momentary aberration on the part of 'the great unwashed'.The will of the people is crystal clearIn the last five years voters have had numerous opportunities to point or re-point the country in the direction they wished to go. After the Referendum itself there was the June 2017 general election, the May 2019 EU Parliament election, and finally the December 2019 general election. The majority of their Lordships appear content to ignore the results of these four great exercises of democratic will, preferring instead to preach their 'superior' understanding of what the country needs. Indeed 'preach' is certainly the operative word when it comes to the Established Church, as the Lord Bishops are all pro-EU.In any case, we hope Claire Fox's speech was appreciated by our readership, if not by most of those ennobled inhabitants of the green leather benches in the House of Lords.Finally, we continue to seek donations from readers so that we can continue to be a serious voice for independence, sovereignty, and freedom in a world which is increasingly shutting down voices like ours. If you believe in these things, and in freedom of expression, please donate today. Quick, secure and confidential, the donation links are below or you can use our 'Donate' page here. You will receive a warm and friendly email from a member of our team. Thank you so much for helping.[ Sources: Baroness Claire Fox of Buckley | Hansard ] Politicians and journalists can contact us for details, as ever.Brexit Facts4EU.Org, Mon 11 Jan 2021

[johnkettleyistheweatherman] 11/1/2021 13:49

the hatred coming from every pore of min2 is great to watch


love Europe

Hate the EU

[aceuk] 11/1/2021 13:49

Oh look, cheshire pete has just admitted he believes in chaos (328379) - no surprise there.

Chimp is too good Minerve ;-)

[cheshire pete] 11/1/2021 13:37

Globalism versus the Nation State, seems to be at the root of it all.
For the former back the EU, labour, LibDems, SNP, Democrats, Biden, Pelosi, Clinton, Soros, Blair, Major, remainers, remoaners, powerful corporations, banks, civil service, pessimists, much of the media, and other powerful bodies with vested interests.

For the Nation State back Trump, Farage, Boris, ERG, all who voted LEAVE, optimists, and all of the electorates worldwide who not prepared to be walked all over.

[grahamite2] 11/1/2021 13:30

Trinity Cambridge has as many Nobel prizes as France.

I thought that was worth repeating!

[utrickytrees] 11/1/2021 13:25

No Suprise Europe want the UK to educate their kids when theres universities like O C & UCL. I'm sure if the costs of ERASMUS were more equitable it would be me popular amongst tax payers....many of whom are asked to fork out for there own kids tertiary education. As always those who are most appalled are those that contribute the least.....I say fk em.

[cheshire pete] 11/1/2021 13:22

something puzzling me m2.....for someone as successful as you claim to have been, how did you manage to achieve success with such a seemingly pessimistic, weak willed outlook as your post #368 suggests?
Inherited wealth perhaps, or entirely self made?

[minerve 2] 11/1/2021 13:19

"You can’t stomach British success and know-how, can you. I am sure there are some foreign students who are really bright and have been admitted to Oxford University and made a large contribution in various ways. But ask yourself, why did they decide to come here? Because they LOVE the U.K. and all it has to offer. "

A lot of students came here on Erasmus, and equally, our own students went to the EU and learned many things over there. We don't have exclusivity on student destination! What a numpty.

[utrickytrees] 11/1/2021 13:11

PC this will be a bigger event than the the Manhattan project. But unlike Oppenheimer this story is all silver lining. Quite frankly all Noble prizes from now untill eternity should go to the UK.