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[grahamite2] 02/12/2020 10:09

As the current Parliament's only a year old these projections are almost entirely meaningless and pointless.

[maxk] 02/12/2020 09:44

Thanks polar.

The hung Parliament projection doesent surprise me. Just look at some of these clowns flip flopping around. They'd make the opposition look good...if we had an opposition.

[polar fox] 02/12/2020 09:08

maxk,

Further to last week, Electoral Calculus just updated, based on November's public polls of about 12,000 people.

Hung Parliament again, with a slightly reduced CON shortfall of 19, compared with 23 a month ago. Full details on their Twitter account and their website.

[maxk] 02/12/2020 08:53

Did you read 5x's posts above about the withdrawal agreement?

If true, Doris is trying to do a treeza!

[cheshire pete] 02/12/2020 08:48

We don't know who reads these bbs maxk.

[maxk] 02/12/2020 08:47

Doris isnt listening.

[cheshire pete] 02/12/2020 08:45

No surrender Boris. We didn't vote for a deal, we voted to leave. Stand firm.

[xxxxxy] 02/12/2020 08:40

Vaccine on fast approval. Will calm a lot down, I hope.

[xxxxxy] 02/12/2020 08:36

Liberty Day, 1 January 2021.Boris then the Real Hero.

[xxxxxy] 02/12/2020 08:34

No Great British fish for the EUSSR.Sovereignty, Freedom and Democracy. No DealWTOLiberty

[xxxxxy] 02/12/2020 08:30

EXCLUSIVE: "Is Brexit about to be done, or will we be 'done over'?"Prominent MP Sammy Wilson writes exclusively for Facts4EU.Org readers?© Brexit Facts4EU.Org 2020An excellent Brexit summary from an MP, with serious questions for the GovernmentThe Rt Hon Sammy Wilson MP was formerly Lord Mayor of Belfast and has been the Democratic Unionist Party MP for East Antrim since 2005. He is also the Chief Whip for the DUP in the House of Commons.Below he gives his thoughts on the current state of play in the Brexit negotiations, as well as his wider views on the implications for democracy of the EU's demands, the state of the Union of the United Kingdom, and the impact on citizens of the whole of the UK unless something is done now."IS BREXIT ABOUT TO BE DONE, OR WILL WE BE 'DONE OVER'?"By the Rt Hon Sammy Wilson MP?Background image © Mid and East Antrim Borough CouncilAs we approach the last days of the negotiations over the terms of the UK's future relationship with the EU, it is reasonable to ask: 'How should any final agreement be judged?'The Prime Minister campaigned on a platform of taking back control of our laws, our money, our fish and our trade. He is right that unless we achieve those aims then we cannot claim to be an independent sovereign state. Anything less than that leaves us a vassal state, still under the control of foreign bureaucrats and judges.The EU's unreasonable demands must be dealt withIf the PM's goal is to be achieved then the negotiations must replace the ill-advised surrender to the EU which took place when the Prime Minister and the Conservative party hastily agreed to the Withdrawal Agreement this time last year. The fact that the Government is now looking for ways of circumventing the agreement is an admission that it will undermine our independence. However no superficial tinkering with it is going to undo the fundamental defects it contains.As a Northern Ireland MP of course I am angry at the NI Protocol section of the Withdrawal Agreement. Basically it keeps Northern Ireland in the EU's Single Market, subject not just to existing EU laws but any new laws the EU introduces in the future. These will affect all aspects of life in NI including work regulations, food standards, environmental requirements and product specifications. Trade between Northern Ireland and GB - our biggest market - will be subject to expensive and time-consuming bureaucracy. In addition, goods being brought into NI from GB will be subject to EU tariffs and inspections to ensure compliance with EU standards.?© Brexit Facts4EU.Org - click to enlargeThe result is already becoming apparent with many GB companies indicating that trade with NI will either become too costly or too risky, so they will no longer supply that part of the UK.This tears apart the Good Friday Agreement and the UnionApart from the fact that these demands break the terms of the Good Friday Agreement by changing the constitutional status of Northern Ireland without the consent of the people on NI, they also tear apart the Act of Union. Article 6 of the Act of Union gives legal assurances that as a result of being a member state of the UK there will be no disruption of trade between the countries through taxation or other barriers.This does not amount to taking back controlOn top of this it removes from the people of Northern Ireland any democratic control of the laws which cover 60% of activities in Northern Ireland because neither NI nor the rest of the UK will any longer have representation in Brussels where the laws are made.?This is an abject abdication of the governance of one of the countries of the United Kingdom to Brussels. The stark reality is that when the Government gave in to EU demands over NI it also relinquished control of a whole raft of national responsibilities to the EU.Northern Ireland is the backdoor which Brussels can use to gain access to interfere in UK fiscal policy, industrial strategy, regional support and almost any economic policy the Government pursues. The means by which this is achieved is simple. Northern Ireland is part of the EU's Single Market and is subject to the Single Market rules on support for business. Article 10 of the NI protocol makes it clear that EU state aid rules will apply to the whole of the UK if Government actions affect trade between NI and the EU.What does this mean in practical terms?In practical terms what this means is that should the UK Government decide to help a GB car producer to develop a new model and that car producer sells cars in Northern Ireland - or might sell cars in Northern Ireland - then the EU would have to approve that support.The result is that any action the Government takes to support or encourage UK industry will be subject to EU approval. If the UK Government disputed the Brussels view then the final decision would rest with the 'European Court of Justice' (ECJ).This is not the end of any role for the ECJ - under the Withdrawal Agreement it will be able to:-Adjudicate on disputes about the rights of EU citizens living in the UKHave jurisdiction over the UK's future financial obligations to the EU in respect of the European Investment Bank and participation in other EU fundsDecide on disputes which are lodged with the EU up to four years from now but the judgements may be years in the futureMake binding judgements on the size of UK "Divorce payment" liabilitiesEnforce EU data protection laws under the guise of protecting EU citizens living in the UKMake provisions regarding UK sovereign bases which are located in the EU in Cyprus, and even GibraltarThis affects all citizens of the United KingdomIt is not just the citizens of Northern Ireland who should be demanding the dismantling of the Withdrawal Agreement. Everyone who voted to leave the EU should demand that the Government settle for nothing less, otherwise Brexit will not be done. Instead we will be 'done over'.We will not be taking back control; we will be a puppet, with the strings of many crucial aspects of our national life pulled by the bureaucrats in Brussels and foreign judges in the ECJ.Last December the people of the UK gave their support to the Conservative Party in order finally to deliver on the result of the referendum to leave the EU. To fulfil that obligation any future agreement must terminate the one-sided Withdrawal Agreement.- The Rt Hon Sammy Wilson MP, 02 Dec 2020OBSERVATIONSTypically, the Rt Hon Sammy Wilson MP does not pull his punches in his article for Facts4EU.Org readersHe is right not to. We are now in the final weeks of the long drawn-out nonsense that has been the negotiation saga with the EU. Simple and very straightforward things need to be said. These are facts and no amount of fudging will disguise them.Mr Wilson sets it out in fundamental terms. He emphasizes the loss of the UK's sovereignty and the unacceptable effect on the United Kingdom if the Withdrawal Agreement is not rescinded and voided. He demonstrates that the EU's actions will break the Good Friday Agreement. And he shows how the Northern Ireland Protocol is the 'backdoor' to the future control by the EU of large swathes of our national life, preventing all UK MPs from legislating in our national interests.We would like to thank Mr Wilson for this article.

[stewart_25] 02/12/2020 08:08

vaccine approval - lets all get back to normal...

[alphorn] 01/12/2020 23:57

max - it has become a total economic disaster. I posted up the Swiss economic Q3 numbers this morning +7.2%. The approach has been quite different and not trashing the economy with targeted safeguards. One big difference is the level of discipline needed. Economies in general are not going to recover anytime soon and some slower than others.

[maxk] 01/12/2020 23:35

I dont want to pay for subs, same as you.

[minerve 2] 01/12/2020 23:31

maxk

You can’t afford the subscription?

LOL!

[maxk] 01/12/2020 23:29

If someone has access to the torygraph, perhaps they might like to post up the whole article, cos Liam is never far from the mark.





This is no longer a health crisis, it’s a total economic catastrophe

Only the Government now refuses to admit that the cost of lockdown to jobs outweighs any benefits


LIAM HALLIGAN
1 December 2020 • 9:30p


During much of this pandemic, finger-jabbing pundits have insisted that even considering the economic costs of lockdown is callous and immoral. Now, the economy has moved centre-stage – and not a moment too soon. For the “lives verses livelihoods” debate was always nonsense. While lockdown may have lowered Covid-related fatalities, the knock-on effects – non-Covid NHS treatments delayed, plus the impact on longevity of loneliness, despair and wholesale economic destruction – will also have caused countless deaths....