Lloyds Banking Share Discussion Threads

[poikka] 30/11/2020 10:16

"in negotiations have a couple of emotional minnows that you are prepared to give way on to keep a big prize."

You're assuming that the UK is prepared to give way on fishing?! That's one hell of an assumption, leaving aside the obvious that there'll be a gradual scaling down of EU fishing rights until the agreed level is adopted.

No, no, the fish issue is the big one, not a smokescreen, Max and Alps. It's the UK's trump (excuse the expression, again) card.

Having said that, from the UK's perspective, fish is certainly a sprat to catch a mackerel.

[geckotheglorious] 30/11/2020 10:14

portside1
Post 14062
"I was the first person to tell you all that the virus was airborne"

London Underground a far bigger spreader then surely.
Packed in like Sardines
No ventilation.

One sneeze and whole train is infected.

[careful] 30/11/2020 10:03

Only 6 Brexit negotiating days until Christmas.
A deal is about to be announced, what will we all talk about after that?
Covid in the end game, getting boring.

Switch off computers and go for a walk.
Back to simpler times.

Can't wait.

[maxk] 30/11/2020 10:00

Could Brexit signal the end of the road for second-home owners in Europe?

New rules will limit the amount of time Britons can spend in their foreign boltholes

By
Heidi Fuller-Love
27 November 2020 • 1:15pm



EU membership encouraged countless Britons to seek a second home overseas CREDIT: Getty



Living on a stunning Cyclades Island, in a sugar cube house with sweeping views of the Aegean Sea, was a dream come true for novelist David Young from Twickenham, when he settled on the Greek island of Syros several years ago. Like thousands of second-home owners in Greece – and elsewhere in Europe – however, David’s dream could turn into a nightmare on January 1, 2021 when Schengen rules, limiting the amount of time he can spend in his foreign bolthole, come into force....




More scare stuff here:

[alphorn] 30/11/2020 09:51

A generic statement as I am sure that you knew. The booby prize is a No Deal.

[utrickytrees] 30/11/2020 09:48

What Big prize Alphorn? Frosty & Boris know that our actual exports to Europe are all safe because they only buy from the UK what they cant source from elsewhere. If they want to put tariffs on components we import go ahead the price of the finished goods will rise prorata. Booby prize more like.

[diku] 30/11/2020 09:34

Whilst all this fish talk is going on think the EU guys are putting the fish bait on the EU side...so all the fish is heading towards the EU side...

[maxk] 30/11/2020 09:29

Yes Alp. Bloody obvious!

[utrickytrees] 30/11/2020 09:25

Rule Brittania! Under previous administrations the UK was disregarded by the EU we were never really part of Europe, the UK was the odd man out, and that's precisely what weve done, cleared off! I'm bouyed that Frosty is serving it upto Barnier and by all accounts the dismissive attitude of the EU bureaucrats towards the UK is slowly changing BUT probably not quickly enough. Judging by the speed at which it takes the EU to assemble trade agreements I suspect that in the event of a WTO Brexit a more nimble UK will be able to replace any business with the EU far quicker. Which puts the UK at a big advantage. Let's face facts, Europe is largely Catholic & socialist the UK isnt and it's these differences which set us apart and explain the deep seated resentment the European elite have for England Wales & NI. I'm not sure the attitudes of the EU are changing fast enough to keep pace with the Brexit sentiment of the nation but if they are and they're willing to accept that they have no right to catch fish in UK territorial waters then it would be poetic to get the deal signed and put to bed on the Belgian border within sight of Mont St Jean or Agincourt Northern France.

[alphorn] 30/11/2020 09:17

max - I agree with that; in negotiations have a couple of emotional minnows that you are prepared to give way on to keep a big prize.

[maxk] 30/11/2020 09:11

The fish thing is a smokescreen .. they are after something else.

[cm44] 30/11/2020 09:10

Charlie NunnLloyds Banking Group, which embraces Bank of Scotland, Scottish Widows and Halifax, has appointed HSBC wealth boss Charlie Nunn as group chief executive to succeed Antonio Horta-Osorio

[poikka] 30/11/2020 08:58

Fishing is far more important to the negotiations than the % of benefit to the UK economy.

No deal: EU will not only have to pay more for fish (tariffs), their fishing communities will be devastated, and the reality of just how much the EU has been screwing the UK over the decades will be apparent for all to see, within and without the EU.

As an EU publicity exercise, it would be one helluva failure.

[portside1] 30/11/2020 08:42

Back to 70 now with this new guy

[portside1] 30/11/2020 08:14

That's good news he is very good no the man from a few years ago , he will move the bank forward unlike the clown now leaving who has done nothing in is term of failure And rewarded by is pals at remuneration crooks

[scruff1] 30/11/2020 08:05

Charlie Nunn of HSBC to be Lloyd's new boss (Telegraph)

[scruff1] 30/11/2020 07:54

gbh
ditto - he/she has to be close to insane. This thread getting dafter than the quadruped which is a shame.

[xxxxxy] 30/11/2020 07:15

Sir Iain Duncan-Smith MP, writes for the Express, where he reminds the PM that beyond the Westminster bubble, ordinary people know what Brexit means: taking back control of our laws, our borders, our trade, our fish and our moneyno EU interference in trade between the four countries of the United Kingdomwe must be able to set our own tariffs and do free trade deals with the rest of the worldwe must have the right to pass our own laws without the approval of the European Court of Justicewe must break clear of the stultifying EU single market and customs unionwe must again control our fishing waters.All summed up in a single word – sovereignty.Away from the Brexit negotiations, the government is set to begin the process of banning live animal exports - a move that was illegal while the UK was a member of the EU - and a major factor in many people's decision to vote Leave in 2016.

[ignoble] 30/11/2020 07:12

My Nan has a million too from share trading...
Unfortunately, she started off with ten million
Lol

[xxxxxy] 30/11/2020 06:13

Not much point in walking now. Show how awful and unintelligent the EU Elite are.EUSSR = in bad faith.No DealWTO

[xxxxxy] 30/11/2020 06:10

NO BRITISH FISH FOR THE EUSSR...Not4EU, London , Sunday, November 29, 2020, 09:42:If anything clearly demonstrated that the EU has NOT yet accepted that the UK will become an independent sovereign country, it was the arrogant offer to 'restore' to the UK 15-18% of our own fish in our own waters, meaning they keep 85% of their existing catch. 'Restore' also implies that they retain full control. It is not a word used by people who wish to negotiate temporary fishing rights via licences. So yet another example of bad faith by the EU, coupled with the renewed determined effort to blockade N Ireland after changing the rules on raw meat showing how real the threat (necessitating the clauses in the SM Bill) are, yet Boros the EUman still will not walk away. Of course, ripping up the WA/PD negates the requirement for such clauses. I see ANY pre-leave deal with the EU now as a sellout, just like the WA/PD. Neither should there be ANY 'transition' for the EU to new fishing agreements. They've had 4 and a half years to do so._Of course, the EU is now in a corner as their own rules of quota equivalence must be applied in their new, reduced fishing area. It was a key driver in the destruction of our fishing industry. It will have a similar impact on French fishermen, so I expect that the 'rulz' will be changed. It's what's driving their insistence that our fishing waters must be under their control. It's why they're pushing for 'long-term' fishing rights & a 'transition' on fishing as a fallback.Walk away Sir David Frost, & recommend the repudiation of the WA/PD as it does not return our full sovereignty. Announce WTO on 1st Jan, no WA/PD, and THEN start negotiations on a trade only agreement for some point in the furure. The EU technocracy will not complete their side before 31st Dec. This is now about them getting a signature, then extending the period until such time as the process, including ratification by 27 members, is completed.We are not stupid.The clear instruction was to LEAVE the EU. Just DO IT.

[xxxxxy] 30/11/2020 06:05

The credibility of the scienceBy JOHNREDWOOD | Published: NOVEMBER 30, 2020I admire the work done by medics and scientists who study disease in getting to a much better understanding of this virus quickly, and in finding some treatments and some potential vaccines that can help tame it. These offer the establishment's way out from lockdowns. I am urging the government to do more on treatments, as we are still due test results for various medicines which might help fight the disease.I have been less impressed by the epidemiologists and modellers working for the government, who have produced high and worrying numbers which even they have had to amend or shade. They have had problems compiling and publishing reliable figures to plot the disease, had trouble designing reliable tests to see how much of the disease is around, and have chopped and changed definitions even for something as important as deaths. In the early months they delighted in publishing comparisons with other countries that seemed to exaggerate the UK figures in a negative direction as numbers were not calculated on the same basis for each country. There was also a time when there seemed to be facilitation to maximise the number of death certificates saying died "with CV 19" rather than died of CV 19. There have been big arguments amongst scientists over the speed and method of spread and the likely future course of transmission of the disease, with very different forecasts.It is most important that the public have trust in the official scientists and advisers. This is more likely if they treat the public as adults, explain what they do not know as well as what they know, leave scope for individual risk assessment and judgement, and try not to change requirements or strong advice unless they find they were wrong and need to tell us that.The advisers did change their stance on mask wearing, from telling us they did not do much or any good to saying we must wear them in enclosed public places. They shifted from emphasis on picking up the virus through your hands, with the need for hand washing and much sterilisation of surfaces, to emphasis on airborne virus picked up from sharing airspace with infected people. This is understandable as their knowledge improves or changes, but does lead more people to ask if the latest iteration of the advice is good advice. It is likely to be true you can catch the virus both ways and so need to be careful both ways.Today these same scientific advisers have persuaded Ministers to back them again with recommendations for more severe lockdowns, maybe continuing all the way through to April next year. This is why their advice needs challenging, as the cost to livelihoods and businesses will be considerable if this is followed. What evidence do they have that the worst transmission now occurs through hospitality venues rather than through everyday social contact? There is much contact through schools and universities staying open, through family gatherings and through the many businesses that do need people to go to a place of work so our power stays on and our food is on the shelves. How much transmission is occurring through rule breaking with people holding unofficial parties, entertainments and events?The government advisers have always seemed to want a vaccine and to want as many of us as possible out of circulation until a vaccine arrives. They need to help the government and the rest of us to live with this virus whilst various vaccines are rolled out in ways which minimise deaths and serious cases whilst allowing as much normal life as possible.I am pressing again for the results of work the government has said it is doing on safer indoor environments through better air extraction systems, best practice on how to run shops, gyms, events in a socially distanced way, and recommended standards for protective clothing for different tasks. What is the latest thinking on the use of UV machines for removing the virus from places where people meet? I will look tomorrow at the big issue of NHS capacity.

[grahamite2] 29/11/2020 22:43

FFS, Max, that was a low blow, putting up a picture of traitor Heath with no warning!

I mean - some people might have been eating!

[ball deap] 29/11/2020 22:40

I know that's why I'm here in LLOY. Your Nan is actually inspirational to me. Last time I spoke she gave me the SNG multibagger tip.