Lloyds Banking Share Discussion Threads

[ignoble] 30/11/2020 07:12

My Nan has a million too from share trading...
Unfortunately, she started off with ten million
Lol

[xxxxxy] 30/11/2020 06:13

Not much point in walking now. Show how awful and unintelligent the EU Elite are.EUSSR = in bad faith.No DealWTO

[xxxxxy] 30/11/2020 06:10

NO BRITISH FISH FOR THE EUSSR...Not4EU, London , Sunday, November 29, 2020, 09:42:If anything clearly demonstrated that the EU has NOT yet accepted that the UK will become an independent sovereign country, it was the arrogant offer to 'restore' to the UK 15-18% of our own fish in our own waters, meaning they keep 85% of their existing catch. 'Restore' also implies that they retain full control. It is not a word used by people who wish to negotiate temporary fishing rights via licences. So yet another example of bad faith by the EU, coupled with the renewed determined effort to blockade N Ireland after changing the rules on raw meat showing how real the threat (necessitating the clauses in the SM Bill) are, yet Boros the EUman still will not walk away. Of course, ripping up the WA/PD negates the requirement for such clauses. I see ANY pre-leave deal with the EU now as a sellout, just like the WA/PD. Neither should there be ANY 'transition' for the EU to new fishing agreements. They've had 4 and a half years to do so._Of course, the EU is now in a corner as their own rules of quota equivalence must be applied in their new, reduced fishing area. It was a key driver in the destruction of our fishing industry. It will have a similar impact on French fishermen, so I expect that the 'rulz' will be changed. It's what's driving their insistence that our fishing waters must be under their control. It's why they're pushing for 'long-term' fishing rights & a 'transition' on fishing as a fallback.Walk away Sir David Frost, & recommend the repudiation of the WA/PD as it does not return our full sovereignty. Announce WTO on 1st Jan, no WA/PD, and THEN start negotiations on a trade only agreement for some point in the furure. The EU technocracy will not complete their side before 31st Dec. This is now about them getting a signature, then extending the period until such time as the process, including ratification by 27 members, is completed.We are not stupid.The clear instruction was to LEAVE the EU. Just DO IT.

[xxxxxy] 30/11/2020 06:05

The credibility of the scienceBy JOHNREDWOOD | Published: NOVEMBER 30, 2020I admire the work done by medics and scientists who study disease in getting to a much better understanding of this virus quickly, and in finding some treatments and some potential vaccines that can help tame it. These offer the establishment's way out from lockdowns. I am urging the government to do more on treatments, as we are still due test results for various medicines which might help fight the disease.I have been less impressed by the epidemiologists and modellers working for the government, who have produced high and worrying numbers which even they have had to amend or shade. They have had problems compiling and publishing reliable figures to plot the disease, had trouble designing reliable tests to see how much of the disease is around, and have chopped and changed definitions even for something as important as deaths. In the early months they delighted in publishing comparisons with other countries that seemed to exaggerate the UK figures in a negative direction as numbers were not calculated on the same basis for each country. There was also a time when there seemed to be facilitation to maximise the number of death certificates saying died "with CV 19" rather than died of CV 19. There have been big arguments amongst scientists over the speed and method of spread and the likely future course of transmission of the disease, with very different forecasts.It is most important that the public have trust in the official scientists and advisers. This is more likely if they treat the public as adults, explain what they do not know as well as what they know, leave scope for individual risk assessment and judgement, and try not to change requirements or strong advice unless they find they were wrong and need to tell us that.The advisers did change their stance on mask wearing, from telling us they did not do much or any good to saying we must wear them in enclosed public places. They shifted from emphasis on picking up the virus through your hands, with the need for hand washing and much sterilisation of surfaces, to emphasis on airborne virus picked up from sharing airspace with infected people. This is understandable as their knowledge improves or changes, but does lead more people to ask if the latest iteration of the advice is good advice. It is likely to be true you can catch the virus both ways and so need to be careful both ways.Today these same scientific advisers have persuaded Ministers to back them again with recommendations for more severe lockdowns, maybe continuing all the way through to April next year. This is why their advice needs challenging, as the cost to livelihoods and businesses will be considerable if this is followed. What evidence do they have that the worst transmission now occurs through hospitality venues rather than through everyday social contact? There is much contact through schools and universities staying open, through family gatherings and through the many businesses that do need people to go to a place of work so our power stays on and our food is on the shelves. How much transmission is occurring through rule breaking with people holding unofficial parties, entertainments and events?The government advisers have always seemed to want a vaccine and to want as many of us as possible out of circulation until a vaccine arrives. They need to help the government and the rest of us to live with this virus whilst various vaccines are rolled out in ways which minimise deaths and serious cases whilst allowing as much normal life as possible.I am pressing again for the results of work the government has said it is doing on safer indoor environments through better air extraction systems, best practice on how to run shops, gyms, events in a socially distanced way, and recommended standards for protective clothing for different tasks. What is the latest thinking on the use of UV machines for removing the virus from places where people meet? I will look tomorrow at the big issue of NHS capacity.

[grahamite2] 29/11/2020 22:43

FFS, Max, that was a low blow, putting up a picture of traitor Heath with no warning!

I mean - some people might have been eating!

[ball deap] 29/11/2020 22:40

I know that's why I'm here in LLOY. Your Nan is actually inspirational to me. Last time I spoke she gave me the SNG multibagger tip.

[k38] 29/11/2020 22:24

You don't mean minnie, do you ?He born millionaire.

[jl5006] 29/11/2020 21:30

It is clear
Stunning failure
Bo No clueless cannot manage the worzel hes bcom
stunning failure - and the outcome - OMG!

[mikemichael2] 29/11/2020 21:23

My nan's a multi millionaire from share trading.

[ball deap] 29/11/2020 19:56

Fill your sack till it bulges to bursting point. Once your sack is filled then wait. This takes patience but if you want to make serious returns then hold in. Don't listen to your Nan,! Not the best for advice.

[jl5006] 29/11/2020 19:01

So blackmail in Politics is now condoned - what a disastrous situation.

So untruths or the allowance of data of limited guesstimation forms the basis of Govt,

We had enough of that b4 the election and yet there are more and more prophecies - based on a computer.

The inner 4 - will not survive.

Unless there is an absolute then the guess is not an answer.

There never will be a vaccine bcos there is NO disease.

WHO - funded by nations - let down by their own non competence.

politicians grounded in nothing but ambition had no clue - but never challenged the science computer guess.

[gbh2] 29/11/2020 18:34

Gone and not missed:

MA LICKY LICKY 29 Nov '20 - 14:02 - 14068 of 14068 (Filtered)

[maxk] 29/11/2020 18:32

Britain must not back down: we want control of our fishing waters


In 1970, the number of fisherman in the UK was around 21,000; today it’s about 12,000. Our European membership was unquestionably a factor.

TELEGRAPH VIEW
29 November 2020 • 6:00am



Ted Heath, who critics believe threw Britain's fishing rights under the bus. CREDIT: HULTON ARCHIVE


Michel Barnier is in London for “intensified” Brexit talks: both sides are calling for the other to back down on state aid, the resolution of future disputes and fishing. Boris Johnson must hold the line. Reasonable compromise is always possible and a deal is there to be struck, but core issues that Remainers deride as petty, or the EU pretends have no real salience, are in fact critical to the whole enterprise. Actually, they are definitional. The story of fishing, in particular, illustrates how we got into this mess, the damage it’s done to our country and why millions of...

Whole article:

[poikka] 29/11/2020 18:29

Min - "The sector, however, is not alone - you could carbon copy the same story onto many sectors."

Quite so, Minnie, but control over our waters (if you'll excuse the expression) is central to the concept of sovereignty, as I'm sure you'll agree. We have, IMHO, a government that is acutely aware of the need to revitalise our economy after decades of it being sucked dry.

The EU creates an inward-looking welfare culture that we need to escape from, and this is really the last opportunity. They are desperate for us not to succeed and it'll be a tough job for the negotiators to agree means by which our commerce can be supported and encouraged without disturbing the EU's totally un-level level playing field.

None of which I expect you to agree with, but there we are.

[warranty] 29/11/2020 18:29

UK takes back control of 100% of our waters. The French, Belgian and Dutch fishermen can still fish in our waters if they agree to register and land their catch in the UK. Problem solved. No different to other businesses opening outlets in other countries.

[jl5006] 29/11/2020 18:29

Why do so many accept the truth in folly?

Why have the inner 4 come out so resiliently in favour of the new rules of insanity - Raab being the latest.

My comment - u have demonstrated no competence whatsoever since March this year u have spread lies and untruths.

U can never be forgiven - and the more lies u tell the worse it will be.

Once u lie it becomes more difficult to deny the lie.

Now the inner 4 are trying to spread more fear.

End product - end of Tory party

[minerve 2] 29/11/2020 18:15

Boris has made a deal increasingly more difficult because any sense of trust with this charlatan AND this government have gone out of the window with their attempt to break international law.

[minerve 2] 29/11/2020 18:13

We are where we are and those in Europe have to sell the deal to their electorate just as much as our government have to sell it to 'us'. I would suggest that some ratchet scheme is agreed where overtime the UK gradually gains 'back' rights of all fishing in the waters that would be deemed 'ours' from previous times. Selling a step change is incredibly difficult because there is no time to adjust and promises of compensation are difficult to calculate and the promises behind them aren't trusted.

[jl5006] 29/11/2020 18:08

Max
There can be no sensible outcome.
They are Shylock
Y does Frost not put them on taost under the grill those little grenouilles - they will soon shrivel.

[maxk] 29/11/2020 17:59

But it's a start!


It would appear to be a big deal for the €uro's, and if so, why are they risking armageddon with their intransigent position?

[minerve 2] 29/11/2020 17:54

Poikka

I don't disagree with what you say. It is sad that this has happened to UK fishing. The sector, however, is not alone - you could carbon copy the same story onto many sectors. The EU is not entirely to blame and leaving the EU will not remove the problems you expect it to. It is certainly not worth damaging other sectors in the belief that this will return to the golden days. It won't.